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 Shore Power Plugs
Diesel
Posted: Jun 26 2009, 11:51 PM


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This could be useful for anyone working with their shore power systems.

http://www.frentzandsons.com/Hardware%20Re...onfiguratio.htm

Not RV specific configuration above.
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do not use the 30 amp 125/240 volt recpt. shown in the link.
its a dryer outlet and WILL NOT fit your RV plug.

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Posted: Dec 21 2009, 07:25 PM


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QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 21 2009, 05:40 PM)
do not use the 30 amp 125/240 volt recpt. shown in the link.
its a dryer outlet and WILL NOT fit your RV plug.

And you REALLY don't want 240 into your rig!!

It lets all the smoke out of the appliances, then you have to replace them.
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shotgun
Posted: Dec 21 2009, 10:23 PM


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so true

we in the trade call it the 'smoke test'.
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Diesel
Posted: Dec 22 2009, 02:28 AM


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You are of course, both aware that the listing is of the common plugs one encounters NOT RV specific plugs?

It can be very handy to know how various plugs are wired particularly if you are wanting to make up adapter plugs.

For RV specific plugs see here (below the trailer plug wiring section)

http://www.dasplace.net/RVWiring/wiring.html
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shotgun
Posted: Dec 22 2009, 10:43 AM


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I have been rv'ing sense I was born. To many yrs ago to recall. I have been an electrical contractor for over 25 yrs and in the trade for over 30.

yea, I think I know there is a difference.

and I'm sorry, in all those yrs, I have never seen a 120/240 volt DRYER plug in a RV camp ground.

you will have them in homes, but then they would be 240 volt recpt. not wired for 120 volts.

anyone who would risk their lives,, let alone thier rv's, with that type of plug is one I do not want touching electcial.

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Diesel
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 03:24 AM


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Being that the list is from an online site, I did not make it up and don't claim to know every type of plug out there. As with any information posted anywhere on the internet it's always good to check it out against other sites or contact a professional for confirmation.

There are many RV'ers who might want to make up, or have made up, an adapter cable when using their RV in their back yard or at another non-RV specific site. I have a couple myself for places we frequent that are not "RV" ready. Both were checked and tested before ever being hooked to the RV. As for home, I've installed a proper plug for my unit and would recommend the same course of action to others.

If you have an issue with the one particular plug shown on the link by all means contact the site who maintains the page. I'm sure they would be happy to correct the error, if in fact it is one.
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Diesel
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QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 22 2009, 10:43 AM)
I have been an electrical contractor for over 25 yrs and in the trade for over 30.


Maybe you would like to offer your services to "Marionmedic" to moderate the Electrical and Generator sections?

It appears there are some here who know you and have some historical knowledge of your postings etc. I don't as I never bothered with the "other site".
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Mike Smith
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 05:42 AM


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QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 21 2009, 10:23 PM)
so true

we in the trade call it the 'smoke test'.

Heh heh heh ... Smoke testing a line can be really funny for the people watching the procedure.

In 88, I watched our electric company smoke test an 18,000 volt line at our apartments. I was about 3 football fields away and watched the owner's son pop the 10 amp fuse into the line (He was the apprentice).

I saw a bright flash, followed by a howitzer BOOM!!! A few minutes later, HL&P drove up demanding an explanation of who operated their line, and why they didn't meg out the line first. Of course, the owner's son got all the blame, then he went home to change pants.

It was funny, up until their told us we would not have electricity on the property for 10-15 hours, while they repulled the line between the pole and the transformer.
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shotgun
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 09:40 AM


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Mike, that dude is a VERY lucky guy. he was able to go home


Diesel, I was not and am not mad at, or wanting to upset you. My point was, and still is....

DO NOT make up these 'adaptors' unless you know what you are doing and have the testing equipment to check them out BEFORE using them.

I would hate to read or hear about a friend getting hurt because he/she tried using the wrong plug.

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Mike Smith
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 04:39 PM


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Dale, I've seen about 10 high voltage smoke tests. This one was the most dramatic.

It was a 100 amp fuse and they tested it with a 10 amp fuse. I was told that is fairly normal (10% of the original fuse). I've seen or heard 3 of them go "BOOM".
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shotgun
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 05:06 PM


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ouch,

I hope he had his Nomax on.
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Mike Smith
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 07:36 PM


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QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 23 2009, 05:06 PM)
ouch,

I hope he had his Nomax on.

If that is those huge, thick rubber gloves that come up to your arm pits, YES, he was wearing them, along with his telescoping fiberglass pole. (I was told the pole hit him after he forgot to hold onto it after the "BOOM!".)
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Posted: Dec 23 2009, 08:11 PM


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I don't know squat about electricity, so yall school me here.
I thought the shore line was 110 on each side = 220 together, but RVs were wired so each side of the plug only provided 110 to different things and therfore COULD be plugged into 220 (Dryer outlet) which is basically 110 X 2
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Deen
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 09:55 PM


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QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 21 2009, 10:23 PM)
so true

we in the trade call it the 'smoke test'.

Yep, when I was building computers for sale I had a few myself, but they were low voltage "smoke tests"!!
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Deen
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 10:00 PM


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QUOTE (Mike Smith @ Dec 23 2009, 05:42 AM)
QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 21 2009, 10:23 PM)
so true

we in the trade call it the 'smoke test'.

Heh heh heh ... Smoke testing a line can be really funny for the people watching the procedure.

In 88, I watched our electric company smoke test an 18,000 volt line at our apartments. I was about 3 football fields away and watched the owner's son pop the 10 amp fuse into the line (He was the apprentice).

I saw a bright flash, followed by a howitzer BOOM!!! A few minutes later, HL&P drove up demanding an explanation of who operated their line, and why they didn't meg out the line first. Of course, the owner's son got all the blame, then he went home to change pants.

It was funny, up until their told us we would not have electricity on the property for 10-15 hours, while they repulled the line between the pole and the transformer.

I watched a "smoke test" done on a 30,000+ volt line by the local Public Utility District. Wasn't funny at all, it killed one lineman in the bucket. Seems he had a metal wrench in his pocket.
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Deen
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 10:02 PM


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QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 23 2009, 05:06 PM)
ouch,

I hope he had his Nomax on.

I think Nomex would work better than Nomax.
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Deen
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 10:10 PM


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QUOTE (Paw Paw Festus @ Dec 23 2009, 08:11 PM)
I don't know squat about electricity, so yall school me here.
I thought the shore line was 110 on each side = 220 together, but RVs were wired so each side of the plug only provided 110 to different things and therfore COULD be plugged into 220 (Dryer outlet) which is basically 110 X 2

I'll let the experts here spell it out for you but NO, the dryer plug is wired differently than a 30 amp RV plug. The 30 amp RV plug is wired to give 30 amps at 120 volts (one neutral, one ground and one hot), the dryer plug is 30 amps at 240 volts (one ground and two hots at 120 each). That's why it fries the appliances in an RV.
A 50 amp will have two hots (each with a 50 amp breaker on it), a neutral and a ground and in a balanced system will give 50 amps on each breaker. An RV 50 amp circuit can actually deliver (theoretically) 50 X 2 X 120 volts or 12,000 watts. 30 amp gives 30 X 1 X 120 or 3,600 watts. That's why the bigger rigs have 50 amp service.
Did find a so called 50 amp RV service at a casino that was 20 amps on one leg and 30 amps on the other. Worked OK but sure wonder about the electrician and then the state inspector that approved it!!
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Lightning
Posted: Dec 23 2009, 11:08 PM


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QUOTE (Deen @ Dec 23 2009, 10:10 PM)
Did find a so called 50 amp RV service at a casino that was 20 amps on one leg and 30 amps on the other. Worked OK but sure wonder about the electrician and then the state inspector that approved it!!

We found the same configuration at a campground near Savannah, GA.
It was on one of our neighbors campsite and went up and raised the devil with the management office. They had an electrician on call and he came right out and corrected it. We laughed about it later on thinking that it was probably the very same electrician that installed it in the first place.
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Deen
Posted: Dec 24 2009, 12:56 AM


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QUOTE (Lightning @ Dec 23 2009, 11:08 PM)
QUOTE (Deen @ Dec 23 2009, 10:10 PM)
Did find a so called 50 amp RV service at a casino that was 20 amps on one leg and 30 amps on the other. Worked OK but sure wonder about the electrician and then the state inspector that approved it!!

We found the same configuration at a campground near Savannah, GA.
It was on one of our neighbors campsite and went up and raised the devil with the management office. They had an electrician on call and he came right out and corrected it. We laughed about it later on thinking that it was probably the very same electrician that installed it in the first place.

The one we found was in OR at the biggest casino in the state and it was the commercial campground a couple miles away.
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Diesel
Posted: Dec 24 2009, 02:44 AM


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QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 23 2009, 09:40 AM)
Diesel, I was not and am not mad at, or wanting to upset you. My point was, and still is....

DO NOT make up these 'adaptors' unless you know what you are doing and have the testing equipment to check them out BEFORE using them.

I would hate to read or hear about a friend getting hurt because he/she tried using the wrong plug.

Understood, and no problem and I agree with you re the proper testing etc.

Was just thinking you might want to Moderate the Electrical and Generator sections due to your qualifications and the fact they don't currently have a Moderator assigned to them. If you are interested drop a PM to MarionMedic, he'll probably be happy to take you up on it if you offer.

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Kajtek1
Posted: Dec 24 2009, 10:12 AM


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I would strongly suggest to edit original post with the note that the linked site applies to household plugs and have nothing to do with campsite 30 amp hookups.
I am not sure if the 50 amp plugs are different, but that is another story.
That said my 1965 Airstream is having a 30 amp plug that will not fit into 30 amp RV sockets. I am using it with 20 amp adapter and didn't have the time yet to change the plug, but looks like over the years the codes have changed?
Shall I try if it will fit into 240V dryer plug ? :lol: :o :P :D
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Mike Smith
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Kris, be sure to have someone film you trying your plug in your dryer receptacle!!!!
(hint: wear thick rubber gloves and OSHA approved eye protection)

:o :o :D
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Mike Smith
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QUOTE (Deen @ Dec 23 2009, 10:00 PM)
I watched a "smoke test" done on a 30,000+ volt line by the local Public Utility District. Wasn't funny at all, it killed one lineman in the bucket. Seems he had a metal wrench in his pocket.

WOW!!! I've never seen anyone try to energize a line from a bucket truck. Even if they used a bucket to replace the fuse holder, they would always come down to the ground and get the hot stick to stick the fuse...

Dale, is this common???
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Posted: Dec 24 2009, 02:22 PM


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QUOTE (Deen @ Dec 23 2009, 08:02 PM)
QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 23 2009, 05:06 PM)
ouch,

I hope he had his Nomax on.

I think Nomex would work better than Nomax.

sorry typo :rolleyes:
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shotgun
Posted: Dec 24 2009, 02:27 PM


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yes it is very common, but most do use a hot stick from the bucket. longest one possible.

sometimes the stick just isn't long enough
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Deen
Posted: Dec 24 2009, 04:48 PM


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QUOTE (shotgun @ Dec 24 2009, 02:27 PM)
yes it is very common, but most do use a hot stick from the bucket.  longest one possible.

sometimes the stick just isn't long enough

He was using a hot stick. Don' t know all the particulars but it was a spectacular flash from our vantage point. Never did get the whole story naturally.
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