I guess NM is off my vacation list. :lol:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10525481

Does God sign the NM CC permit? Cause if He does, I'm getting one! :rolleyes:

If not, that little piece of paper is worthless. Since my right to defend my life comes from God, not government, it is immutable. Just because a corrupt, misguided and foolish government does not universally recognize it, does not make it invalid. Our founding fathers, being brilliant and prophetic men recognized that this was bound to happen. That is why they specifically stated this right in the constitution. Legally and morally, any law or regulation that is unconstitutional is null and void. Though I believe in states rights, those rights specifically protected by constitution superceed any state law. If not, a state could make a vile law allowing slavery.

What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." is unclear? I follow the don't ask don't tell policy. Let the police confiscate my weapon after I use it to save my life. I'll just get another. If we stand together they can't imprison us all - there would be no room in the jail if all innocent people who chose to exercise their God given rights were incarcerated. I know that it's much easier to comply and surrender your constitutionally guaranteed rights. But is this just? How will I fare at Judgement if I do what I know to be wrong and knowingly compromise the rights of others, possibly precipitating a death from someone being attacked after being persuaded to surrender their arms due to my complicity in this evil deception?

Everyone must choose which battles they are willing to fight. This is my line in the sand. It has been my entire life. I will not compromise this point. For as Gandalf said, "You shall not pass!"

Chip

Gun enthusiasts criticize NM's ban on Utah gun permits

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10533777

Personally I could care less, I seriously doubt that I will ever step foot in NM anyway and truly believe it's political.

Kenny, you are very correct, it is only a political move.


and as my dad was fond of saying,
" I never left anything behind in (N.M), therefore I ain't got to go back to get it. "

Maybe Utah should not accept N.M. drivers licenses, since their drivers have not been properly trained to Utah's standards. :lol:

Chip

Well Kenny, at least Florida still loves you and vice versa so we can still hangout together one day! :D ;)

I live about 8 miles from the Oregon border but have to have both a WA CPL and Oregon CWP as there is no reciprocity between the states. I go to Portland quite often and don't want to be bothered having to unload and conceal the pistol when I cross the bridge.

And, while self protection does come from God (or a higher power if you prefer) it's still regulated by law and I'm not rich enough and too old to be a test case for carrying without a license!

Amen, Deen. No way am I going to spend my senior years in custody, testing any law.

I'v carriend a hand gun either on me or in my vehicle for ever, the reason I got a CFP is so that I now do it leagally.

I am not a criminal. :lol:

Deen, my left or your left? ;) :lol:

I guess you mean that you're no longer a criminal. :lol:

I went the legal route once, even held an FFL class C license. However I've legally divested myself of all Class 3 weapons long ago. Nothing that I own, if anything, is or would be registered. And if I were disposed to buy ammo, I wouldn't purchase it through normal channels. Nor would I practice at a signature required range, own a hunting license, be a member of NRA, DU, etc. I believe that doing so will invite an eventual knock on your door by men with guns and a search warrant.

What will you do when they make owning your weapons illegal and ask you to surrender yours, since they know you have one? Will you be a criminal then and tell them it was stolen or you sold it, or will you comply and turn it in?

If you don't believe that they can and will do it, ask the Canadians, the English, the Germains, or the State of California (assault weapons conscicated) etc.! Registration is the first step to consfication - which always follows.

Ultimately, being willing to die for our freedoms is the only chance we have of keeping them. The price of freedom has, and always will be human blood. I would rather die a free man tomorrow than live to be 100 as a slave. If fighting for freedom makes me a criminal, and I'm forced to lay down my life in defense of liberty, I will have the great honor to lie with the Patriots.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
Samuel Adams

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Thomas Jefferson

Chip

I’m not going to disagree with anything because I’m as frustrated with the restrictions as anyone. “But becoming a felon” by of not following the rules in place would be the most counterproductive action possible, not only for the individual but our forum.

Not trying to be a pain, but would prefer any suggestions of breaking the law not be posted. Reality verse hopes are two completely different animals.

I follow the letter of the law personally and professionally and everyone should do the same.

Thanks guys, you know what I mean.

Your loving firearms mod :)

;) :lol:

:wub:

Don, I agree 100%

Sorry Don,

I certainly don't want to bring heat down upon this forum or anyone here by suggesting that anyone break the law. Nor is it my intent to suggest civil disobedience in the face of unconstiutional or unjust laws. These are very serious matters with serious consequences. Our law enforcement officers need our help and support in their difficult job of preserving the peace. With rare exception, they are on our side, choosing to do what's right, even in those gray areas. What a tough job! Heaven knows, they are faced with difficult circumstances every day and we don't need to add to their stress, or put them in greater danger than they already are. Armed resistance is the absolute last resort after all other legal options have been exhausted. I think what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge will be the typical result of any such foolish actions. There is no way to win under such circumstances. Compliance is not the best choice, but sometimes it's the only choice - so we can "live to fight another day," as the saying goes. :)

"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death." Prov. 14:12

Chip

It’s all good brother Chip! Btw, I’ll let you have pick of the safe if you give me your communication skills, you are really good and glad you’re on our side! No, not the nfa safe btw… :D

Hi In NM you can carry in your car any way you want. Even without a conceal carry permit. You cant carry concealed out of your car of course.