Tokens Change

Alright, I realize we just made all tokens un-tradeable recently, & while I can see where people are coming from and the reasons to restrict teams to camps, rerates & the offseason tokens to be untradable, I have currently ran into an issue that I think many teams will begin to have with creation tokens being untradable. Unlike rerates and camps, creation tokens are vital to a players existense in our league, you cant create one with out it. So by making creations untradable, a team is limited to 2 a season, even if they have more players they want to create. So in theory a team with only 10 prospects (which most of us have more of), will take 5 seasons to create just those prospects not the mention the 7 new prospects they will draft at each of the drafts every 2 seasons during that span, so as you can see, this is going to create a problem, as teams no longer will be able to aquire creations from teams who dont have prospects to create.

I have a few solutions for this problem.
1)-increase number of creations per season (maybe up to 4)
2)-make creations tradeable again
3)-have an alternate way of creating prospect (of which i have 2 suggestions)
-(#1) When a player enters the nhl and plays 5 games, he can then be created using his hockeysfuture rating as you would create a prospect normally, any other prospects you want to create (in ahl or chl etc.) still require tokens.

-(#2) Create prospects who are in the nhl based on their current years projections or hockeysfuture rating (gm's choice, providing the player meets the nhl rerate requirements)

I think this general idea might work better with some form of combination of these ideas, but I just wanted to bring the issue/idea forward, as i do think it needs to be fixed.

P.S- with the new rerate formula's essentially putting a cap on how high players can hit, i wouldnt even think its all that bad of an idea to make them un-tradeable as well, but unlike the creations, i cant see a definitive reason why that is neccesarry, so if you feel strongly against it jamie, then i understand, but i definetly think the creations need to be looked at.

The reason why I already cut the amount in half was because it just takes too much time for me and shawn. In some cases it could only take a few minutes but when some players have no reports on HF or anything, it can become annoying. Plus, some people would use 2, 3, 4 and more each time which was a really pain.

Now, I have been contemplating a change in prospect creation ratings format but I wont have the full idea ready until next offseason as I am trying to figure out formulas and stuff but have not had time this offseason. I will work on that during the season though.

For now, I will propose this idea. 2 Creations per offseason. 2 creations per all-star break. That way, it spans out the creations and doesnt put so much crap on me and/or Shawn and we all still get 4 total per season.

I understand the work load. as i had to create players in my short time as minors commish, i just think that we really need to avoid making it so people cant even create the prospects they have. If they are tradeable, its still the same amount of tokens league wide, just certain gms would be able to get more and certain gms who didnt need them could move them to someone who could. it doesnt increase your workload really, as the creations amount is the exact same as a league wide total. that would really be my only rebutle to your reply. maybe a hybrid of your idea of 2 in offseason, 2 in allstar break, but allow them to be tradeable in offseason only? that way, a gm who wants to create prospects to fill roster spots for upcoming season can do that instead of signing free agents or being forced into trading for roster players. i dunno, like i said though, making them tradable doesnt increase the amount of creations you will have to do. it just makes it more possible for gms to create prospects who are ready to play instead of being handcuffed into waiting another year to create them, which as i said will ultimately lead to the draft becoming obsolete after 2 rounds every year, because u will only be able to create 2 prospects a year (or 4 with your new idea). As i said, i think the key here is to make them tradeable, doesnt increase the amount of tokens league wide, so your workload stays the same, but it gives gms the chance to create their prospects if they want. as creations are needed to do so. and to the point you made about players without hf ratings, they should get createdbased on their nhl stats as i suggested (without using any token) but only if they would be nhl rerate eligble. if they have no HF rating, and don t have sufficient nhl stats to support being created by the rerate formula, then they just dont get created plain and simple. and for players who are getting created using the rerate formula, insist the gm post the same way they would as a rerate so all you have to do is type in the ratings, not do any of the grunt work. AGAIN, SAVES YOUR WORKLOAD! seems like a no brainer to make these changes man..

From my pt of view, I have to say (Besides the work of creating the prospects which I do agree it can be alot of work and am not discounting it), I decided to rebuild before the limiting of creations and now have 5 first rounders on top of my other picks for the next draft that will take a long time to get into the system.

Besides the work involved, I see no reason to limit the number of players created and, with a 7 round draft, there are so many players being drafted.

We already have a limit on TC's and thus players will not develop any faster and get unrealistic ratings. The new NHL rerate already limits player growth to meet a more realistic rating per player.

Shrug, I don't like the limiting for obvious reasons, a team like mine has the most to lose because of the number of high picks I have coming next draft.

Just my two cents.

I can see where you both are coming from. I will take some time to think it all over and come to some sort of decision that best suits everyone. Keep up discussing it in here if you all wish because more ideas and such will help me decide.

I would rather see creation tokens be tradeable, then creations be unlimited. I moved a bunch of picks, knowing that you can really only create and work with 2 new prospects a year. Just my opinion.

Im totally against creations being traded again.Ive been in so many leagues over the years and there is always complaints by both sides.Ive been co- commish in many leagues in the past and the 1 job every commish or co-commish has is creating players!

But I do agree that 2 creations a year are too low!!! You need 3 to 4 usually to make it right.

The best ways to do creations that ive been apart of are

1)Creations only in offseason.This usually works best for commish as its alot of work to create so many players and to get it all done before season starts makes it alot smoother and easier for him and makes the season go better for him.Usually 3 to 5 creations every year.

2)2 creation every offseason and 2 creations mid way like all star break every season

3)create propects every offseason but only if they have played atleast 1 game in nhl

I would also like to see the draft down to 5 rounds as well. There are a ton of guys drafted that are just crap.