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 should people use ouija boards?, do they really draw in bad entities?
cathylj73
Posted: Jun 14 2006, 06:05 PM


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I would never get one. Once when I was around 10 I had a very bad experance with one and to this day will never let on in my house my boys have asked and I have told them no way dont even think about it.
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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 07:09 PM


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The o' board can be dangerous. A demon can lie to you and say it is a loved one. You then become more vulnerable and it gains a foothold. My friends tried it, but I just stayed away. It just creeps me out.


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Posted: Jun 17 2006, 09:23 AM


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Yeah I know I’m beating this dog into the ground by adding another post to this thread but I have very little opportunity to post these days so I’m posting anyway. tongue.gif
One thing that hasn’t been touched on here is the fact that channeling, automatic writing and the use of the Ouija board involves the direct request or invitation (by the user) to take over motor control of his or her hands, arms, vocal cords, etc. This is a form of possession.
With dowsing or scrying, I guess it depends on who you are asking to guide you. If you think the answers lie in your own subconscious and you are merely using the instruments as a means of focusing your own intuitive ability, than this is a little different.
You could argue that, as paranormal investigators, we ‘invite’ spirits with our EVP sessions and, depending on your point of view, many would think you had a good argument.
I do not believe the entities who have imprinted their messages onto our tapes have, in any way ‘possessed’ us. For one thing, we use spiritual protection before and after going into an investigation situation. We also are not asking for the entity to take over our motor control. We merely need proof of its existence for our clients and ourselves in order to proceed to the next step.
Still, this topic is completely debatable.
My two pennies.


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Posted: Jun 17 2006, 09:57 AM


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QUOTE (scarymominva @ Jun 5 2006, 04:19 PM)
now how do tarrot cards summon if u will, ghosts and demonns?
i'm not real familiar w/ those. i know we have a deck of them in our house somewhere that we had gotten a few years back just for fun

sorry it took me so long to reply, with my schedule, i only get to hit the highlights, and i miss things occasionally.

anyhow, tarrot cards are a way of comunicating with the otherside, and asking questions, or telling the future, or what have you. pretty much the same as the board.

and just as the board, you don't know who you are talking to.


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QUOTE (DF Admin SJ @ Jun 17 2006, 09:23 AM)
Yeah I know I’m beating this dog into the ground by adding another post to this thread but I have very little opportunity to post these days so I’m posting anyway. tongue.gif
One thing that hasn’t been touched on here is the fact that channeling, automatic writing and the use of the Ouija board involves the direct request or invitation (by the user) to take over motor control of his or her hands, arms, vocal cords, etc.  This is a form of possession.
With dowsing or scrying, I guess it depends on who you are asking to guide you.  If you think the answers lie in your own subconscious and you are merely using the instruments as a means of focusing your own intuitive ability, than this is a little different.
You could argue that, as paranormal investigators, we ‘invite’ spirits with our EVP sessions and, depending on your point of view, many would think you had a good argument.
I do not believe the entities who have imprinted their messages onto our tapes have, in any way ‘possessed’ us.  For one thing, we use spiritual protection before and after going into an investigation situation.  We also are not asking for the entity to take over our motor control.  We merely need proof of its existence for our clients and ourselves in order to proceed to the next step.
Still, this topic is completely debatable.
My two pennies.

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One thing that hasn’t been touched on here is the fact that channeling, automatic writing and the use of the Ouija board involves the direct request or invitation (by the user) to take over motor control of his or her hands, arms, vocal cords, etc. This is a form of possession.


Not necessarily - I'm no expert, but things like automatic writing.. willing things to move...whatever, aren't always a form of possession. If you tap into you unconscious mind enough, a whole new control takes over. It doesn't have to be another "being". Edit: Just read that you do mention using your own subconscious. My bad smile.gif
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Professionals all the time say not to use them no matter what.
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Sorry for adding to this topic, but i sincerely believe that ouija boards are extremely dangerous!

The main concern I have is that my 12 year old nephew bought one with his own money and his family are VERY unaware of the dangers this game has to the user (IT IS NOT A GAME or a TOY). What bothers me has alot of anger in his life and has a very serious hostility towards God due to his early childhood and compounding to the fact that his family is non spiritual or on the fence spiritually. So i have to keep my beliefs private alot of the time. How would i talk him into getting rid of it. At least he lost interest after a few days.


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Posted: Nov 27 2006, 01:09 PM


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It seems that this is a long, overdebated thread, but I'm new here and I feel like I missed it..
As for Ouija, I have had many debates with people over this and heard many different opinions. Overall, I have to say: bad idea.

The ouija board is an advanced scrying tool used by specifically trained witches, wizards, mystics (whatever terminology you use). Then for some reason, someone decided to mass-produce them from milton bradley and sell them to children.
This is kinda like handing children loaded firearms. There's a chance that nothing bad will happen, but its more likely someone's going to lose something important.

I read someone saying using a board is like opening a window in a bad neighborhood. I agree entirely. Sure, you're grandma could come over, but its much more likely that some crazed psychopath is gonna sneak in.

So unless you have years of experience with all the proper warding, summoning, and banishing rites, stick to chutes and ladders.


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QUOTE (texas_troll @ Jun 17 2006, 09:57 AM)
anyhow, tarrot cards are a way of comunicating with the otherside, and asking questions, or telling the future, or what have you.  pretty much the same as the board. 

and just as the board, you don't know who you are talking to.

I just happened to notice this comment, I skimmed through many of the posts.
I just wanted to say, there's a difference between tarot and ouija. I would describe tarot as "passive" divination while ouija is "active."
As Sandra was saying, with things like automatic writing and ouija, the individual is allowing another entity to possess them. The entity is actively moving thier limbs.
Passive divination like rune casting or tarot is different. You do not allow something to enter you, or take control. You communicate through the symbolism of the object you're using and not through direct contact.


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My mother's mother had one. This was back in the '20s. They were very popular back then. She evidently used it a lot. Then she loaned to a neighbor and when she got it back it didn't work for her anymore. I guess the neighbor stole her pet spirit. roflsmiley.gif


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Whats a Ouija board?

Well here's my 2 pennies....

Once you start asking demons and dead spirits more questions and look for thier answers more than God's, you gonna find trouble. I'm no bible beater either. My relationship with my God is mine only, and I dont try to rub it off on others but I do feel that once you seem more engrossed in communicating with dead people or things that fight with God himself, then your asking for company that you probably dont want staying long.

Ouija, EVP's, too many investigations, even meditation can be mislead into a spiritual soup.

Once they know you can hear them, more will come. If they can find a link to our world they can use, they will. Picture it the only working phone for hundreds of miles around and your holding the receiver. Everyone's gonna want to talk, including the ones who arent nice. They find you and stay around you to see how much you enjoy this. If you use it regularly, they will be with you constantly waiting for you to give them the cue to speak. Sometimes they wont wait and will show you just how upset they are that you are not talking to them. So one day something nasty is attracted to the hundreds of 'lost human souls' hovering around your piece of reality right? Well that entity or the multiple evil they say they are strolls on by and see's this going on. WELL! Lookie here! I got me a receptive human who likes to talk to dead people! That's the equivalent of a child predator seeing a kid alone in his front yard. "Well, im gonna go warm up to him/her and see if thier willing to venture into the kingdom". Well, then all hell breaks loose and you have a new freind. But your new freind isn't human but tells you it is so that you dont raise a brow to danger. Now your talking to something that hates you more than you can imagine and is just interested in throwing it's monkey wrench into you machine called faith. You talking to a fallen angel now. That would be an anomale of science rumored to be the VERY ENEMY of your God. It's Yin to your Yang. It just might be a nonliving piece of a puzzle nobody yet has the knowledge of understanding. It's existed longer than time and will exist longer than you, but you feel you have the gumption to put yourself on it's level and challenge it to a game of wits. How does it feel to be talking to an intelligence older and more vast than anything that has walked this earth except for Jesus Christ? Well your talking to it, now what? Guess what else? It's form is probably hovering right above your hard head! You gonna tell it, "I'm done, I have to work tommorow and need sleep". You expect it to go away? roflsmiley.gif All of a sudden you hear noises in the dead of night. Not noises to scare you (they will though) but those noises that scream out "I'm still here and I am watching your every move...and I will stay with you as long as I can, and in that time, I am going to make you suffer like your master has made me suffer!" You continue over time to use the board or simply out in think air questions and you recieve answers. One day you ask yourself, "Am I imagining this or is this real"? All of a sudden you start hearing banging sounds inside the walls, things being moved, voices you can hear in the middle of the night but cant undersand, you feel oppressed like a weight is constantly on your shoulders, your head aches regularly from psychic attacks, lights turn on and off like when your in the shower that scare the crap out of you. Things to show you "we are here". Now your nervous. Things drifted down poop's creek pretty fast! Now what? I have a buddy who wont leave. I cant sleep now because I am afraid of closing my eyes, I sleep with the lights on, all doors have to be closed at night to avoid seeing the shadows passing your door in the moons twilight, you have to sleep with a radio on because you hear too many noises at night like rappings, animal noises, voices and laughter. You cant sleep, you are a walking zombie at work. (sometimes they even ride with you in the car and follow you to work) Ya really want that? You start dreading going home and try other things like going to a freinds house before going home to cheer you up. You cant sleep at all now. Your waking up late for work after you fall asleep 2 hours before you have to get up out of pure exhaustion. Your having terrible dreams while sleeping. You get fired from your job because you cant make it in on time and when you do you cant think of anything else but what the hells gonna happen when I get home! Now your unemployed and depressed. Now you get to stay home with your new roomate 24/7!!! But he dont like you so you now want to move. You have no job, things are a mess, you start thinking of ways to get yourself out of it all. Bad thoughts, good intentions, and all that get mixed into one mess and your a basketcase of paranoia. You gonna go tell someone your being opressed by a demonic force??? You expect 95% of earths population not to laugh in your face??? Your in for a rude awakening! Now you have to find help. This isn't a simple call to get someone over to get it out like termites! Things can get alot worse too.... Some people give in, I cant take it anymore!!!! "please stop! I will do anything if you will just leave me alone!!! Please God help me! Go ahead burn your bridges, see how hard they are to rebuild...

I like to describe them as a derranged serial killer getting to spend a month or more at your place! Sound fun? Well if you think about it the derranged serial killer would probably be the more competent roomate that a demon from hell. Am I getting anywhere with ya?

Welcome to the world of the paranormal! Now while this doesnt happen to everyone, it does happen more times that you'd imagine. Good luck if you think your the strong one. When you let your guard down, so does God, he wont protect you unless you ask it of him and accept him into your life. Communicating with spirits is not something you should be doing while simultaneously asking for God help. Dont do it.

That's like standing in a fire asking for a glass of water...

So KILLGORE's answer would be Yes, they are dangerous if you consider having company around 24/7 that can see you but you cant see them.


Ya know this reminds me of being in the military. One of the basic tennants of superiority is camoflauge from your enemy. They are chameleons in a world of big dumb elephants (us) and I think that's a bit dangerous.


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Another point I'd like to make is that if you feel you have to expend every possible measure to prove that ghosts exist by using things like Ouija and the like, then you have to take a few steps back and re-evaluate why you do this.

Firemen dont set themselves on fire to figure out how to extinguish one.


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Great post Killgore

I hope everyone knows by now, that it is not something to be played with at all.

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Killgore, that was a visually stunning response. Thank you.


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