should people use ouija boards?, do they really draw in bad entities?

i'm curious as to what u all think about
using the ouija board. do any of u use one? if so
r u scared that u might bring something into your house
that u wouldn't want?
i remember playing w/ one when i was little ,my 16 yo asked me to see about getting one b/c a friend of his [who happens to be a very screwed up kid] has one
so it just got me thinking ,r they safe to fool around with or no ?

Wow I would worry about the kid if he is already screwed up...the boards imo and many others have some ability to open doors (perhaps not all the time) and when a door or portal is open I think anything can walk through.
Its like giving an open invitation to "spirits" to come communicate,,unless one is specific then anything will come.
Some people seemingly have no problems with them,,,but I have seen several cases where it takes years before the problems can show up.

I would personally steer clear of teens using them.
My opinion.

now thats a scary thought isn't it? why do you think it takes so long?

I don't think it matters how specific you are , you never know who you are communicating with. I think even being being around them is a bad idea. The board it's self is just paper and cardboard, or a piece of wood, the problem is the doorway it creates. the same coould be done with using a shot glass and pieces of paper with letter on them, or tarrot cards.

All of them open a door that is very hard to close.

now how do tarrot cards summon if u will, ghosts and demonns?
i'm not real familiar w/ those. i know we have a deck of them in our house somewhere that we had gotten a few years back just for fun

I dont know that its the board or activity itself that creates the problem but that you are attempting to tap into something you cannot control. Its like you are opening a door wide open. IMO it could be a VERY bad thing! Think about it this way... it would be like driving through a city blindfolded and picking up people.. you wouldnt even see who you are inviting into your car! Thats kinda scary.

I totally get the desire to do something so mysterious etc but what about a different hobby? I dont know if everyone else will agree or not but what about dowsing? It is still somewhat "mystical" but less of a threat. No communication involved.

In a word: NO.

Ouija boards should not be used.

The question isn't really about the thing itself (the board), but about the intentions of the user. Why would one want to use something that could possibly help them communicate with demons? This goes for any method of divination.

My opinion, of course, but I think those involved in demonology could fill several books with very bad stories about ouija boards....

The word ouija is french for yes in oui and german ja for yes the actual name means yes yes imho it is a door. An astral door what you do with a ouija board is communicate with whoever shows up to chat.

Sort of like opening your front door to strangers and inviting them in not only do you not know who they are you do not know what they are. Think of the possible dangers in this and multiply them because it involves spiritual danger as well as physical.

Please, Please do not buy your teen a ouija board talk to them about how dangerous it can be and ask them not to use one ever.

The actual board is not dangerous it is the fact that it creates circumstances that facilitate an open door to unknown possibly demonic spirits that make them dangerous to use.

Having said this I personally have used a ouija board about 15 years ago I did not have any negative experiences but stopped using it because the spirits I spoke to were becoming familiar and attached to me.

But horror stories abound connected to ouija boards in particular concerning young ppl like teens.

this is very intresting stuff. no i don't intend to go
out and buy one but it did get me thinking since nick told
me that this kid seems to ''play'' w/ one and the fact since nick just started hanging w/ this kid at work a few weeks ago that nick is really starting to make very stupid judgements and decisions. i mean really stupid things.

or maybe he's just getting to be more of a 16yo pain in the butt
well either way i'll make sure he knows i don't want him to mess w/ it which of course will make him only want to do it more.
nick will go out of his way to do exactly what we tell him not to.

so who uses these ouija boards then? psychics, mediums etc? people in general
who shouldn't be messing w/ them i guess?

i have to admit though that the curiousty makes you want to try it but u guys have made me more than a little wary. i have enough 'human' problems to deal with ,i don't need any dead people hanging around

I think everyone pretty much summed up why they are dangerous. You are blindly inviting unknown spirits into your home.

I like the idea of the car, that was a great analogy! Good one. I just thought of another one:

Using a Ouija board is like blindfolding yourself in a ghetto neighborhood and inviting random unknown folks into your house.

Why the ghetto? Earth is a prison for the demonic until judgement day. This place is not a good spiritual neighborhood; it's a war zone of hatred, bitterness, confusion and spiritual poverty.

Just because a spirit is friendly and helpful on first contact doesn't mean they are a friendly and helpful spirit. Even serial killers can play that card.


Personal Christian Thoughts

The bible mentions that we are not to communicate with the dead (for the above reasons). It is against the law for our own protection and because it shows that someone doesn't have faith in God. Consult God not a spirit!

For me, I think of it this way. If talking to the dead is against the law, do I think any human/non-human spirit under Christ is going to facilitate breaking God's law by talking with the flesh bound?

I personally don't think any spirit who is in Heaven and obeys God word is going to help you break a law. You can't control who you talk to and eventually you are going to meet something that hates God......


Deut 18: 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [a] the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

Better to not do it regardless of what one believes. There are enough horror stories out there

I had two thoughts on this, one regarding the difference between "consulting" with the dead and conversing with the dead.

I don't know that speaking with the dead is a good idea, because of not knowing who your are truely speaking with, but it is still different than taking advice or consulting with one.

the other thought being, not all spirits know that they are dead, this is why they may need help to cross over, and still others, refuse to cross over out of fear of judgement, or the feeling they must complete a task. Those that usually refuse to cross, are normally the angrier of the human spirits.

in the event that a demon crosses your path, there may be little choice but to confront it. Blessings and quotes may not be enough. Lets hope you never have to go through anything tramatic like that.

A Ouija board can be safely used if the proper precautions are taken. They're like guns, they can be easily obtained by someone who doesn't know what they're doing, and cause great harm as a result. IMO, they're slow and awkward. Also, as stated before, it's just cardboard and plastic, it's intention that makes it potentially dangerous. If you're determined to summon a spirit, lack of a Ouija board isn't going to stop you.

It differs from things like Tarot cards, runestones and such in that it's made with the intention to contact spirits. The cards and runes are divinatory tools, designed to focus the user's perceptions. The most dangerous aspect of Tarot cards is having someone freak out when the Death card appears in their reading (and no, it doesn't mean death.)

As a witch, I don't operate under doctrinal prohibitions against divination, etc. But, I don't see the point in trying to communicate with the departed just to do it. And, it's just rude to try to compel a spirit to speak.

My advice? If your teen just *has* to have something 'cool,' buy him a Rider-Waite tarot deck. The artwork is nice, and he may even learn a bit about himself.

Moose

moose,
r u like into the white magic type stuff?
[no offense ] i had just made a post the other nite asking about white magic
what is this rider deck u r talking about?

True witchcraft is mostly about a reverence for nature, and communion with Diety in the form of a God and Goddess. As to magick, my tradition doesn't categorize or label it. We do what is necessary, without harming others.

Here's an example: A man abuses his children, but the authorities can't/won't do anything. So, we choose to bind him to prevent him from doing further harm to his children. It sounds like a good thing, but it involves removing free will from another, which some always interpret as "black" magick.

So, I don't describe myself as a "white" witch, just a witch. I love animals (but not in a wierd way ), help old ladies across the street, etc. but I reserve my right to defend myself and my loved ones. Not a very good explanation, I know, but we're pretty much regular folks.

The Rider-Waite deck is probably the most commonly available Tarot deck out there. Most bookstores carry it. And, since it's portable, it may appeal more than a Ouija board.

Moose

Adding onto the analogy of picking up random people in a car, or opening your door to strangers...

What if your chances or having a malicious stalker hop into your car/stroll into your house was extremely likely?
Okay, that is what many spirits will do. They will literally get "attached" to you. Some just because they want to be around someone that will acknowledge them (or at least has knowledge of them), and some to cause direct harm to you and your family.
"Playing with fire" analogy doesn't even do this justice. You can put out a fire.

I am sure we can fill up this thread full of ouiji board stories. Here is one told to me by my spouse (Alex), who is very paranoid of the paranormal and a bit skeptical. He does not embellish and this freaked him out and turned him off off ouiji boards forever.

Alex and his girlfriend at the time (Jen) were in highschool. They thought it would be fun to get a ouiji board and "play" with it (sounds like your son ). Soooo they did and met a spirit called "Sharon." She seemed to be quite friendly and entertaining. Alex and Jen talked to "Sharon" every day for like 1-2 weeks. "Sharon" said she was their age and had died not too long ago in a car accident. Gradually "Sharon" became more and more friendly to Alex and less friendly to Jen. She began ignoring Jen, and calling her names. Bad names. "Sharon" told Jen that she hated her, and that she wanted Alex for herself. Well, as you can expect, Jen got mad at Alex. She also was mad at the situation and together they decided NO MORE ouiji board! They didn't touch it for a week and told no one about their interactions with it. A week later, they came back to Alex's mom's house after school. His mom told him he got a phone call. She said it was a girl named "Sharon" and she wanted to know why he hasn't talked to her for over a week. Freaked out they went back to the ouiji board (don't know why they did this LoL) and "Sharon" told them right away that she called looking for Alex. Alex hasn't touched one since then. This is all true.

This situation doesn't really show direct harm occuring, but it does show how a spirit can get personally involved with you to the point it will actively invade your life in attempts for further communication and/or interaction.