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| UglyNRude |
Posted: Sep 10 2008, 07:41 AM
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With technology today and coming technology, do you need a team of investigators? I would say no, if you have the money you could put together a computer based tech team. They have netbotz, these already have built in video cameras and you can get all sorts of attachments that monitor temperature, dust, humidity, and virtually all other threats, from power spikes to radioactive and chemical materials. You could combine this with time lapse photography and multiple microphones for evp's. This helps remove the human factor, you would eliminate flashlights and noises we all make walking in the dark. A few net botz and a few laptops you could go in , get a tour of the place, pick the hot spots for activity, set up and let your investigation team go to work. You could go to a different location or even have other people monitoring different aspects of your investigation. The netbotz will send out emails if it detects anything out of the norm. You could monitor the cameras on the internet. The equipment stays there a set amount of time and you go pick it up and review your findings, made easier because the bot will print out a chart on the data it collects. Now I would recommend someone remains close by and if an e-mail is sent off that is unexplainable you the weak link the human could go check. So investigating as we know it is on borrowed time and as technology gets cheaper we will be replaced. I don't see this happening real soon, but this is a great way to leave it to collect data over a longer period.
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| DF Mod LadyStarla |
Posted: Sep 10 2008, 10:23 AM
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I think that would depend on the case. A intelligent haunt in many cases will reveal more if there is a human team. A truely demonic case, it would be hard to tell. That realm knows how to manipulate technology, it may avoid it or it may "preform" for a just tech based team. I for one think the human element should not be taken out of the investigation.
Also on Paranormal state there was a case recently where a woman had been doing EVP's she became I would say obessed with tit and she was getting answers. She was opening a doorway for that or those spirits. I am not sure that couldn't happen here as well. -------------------- The easiest way for evil to win is for good men and women to do nothing.
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| UglyNRude |
Posted: Sep 10 2008, 11:39 AM
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I agree with sometimes you may need a human present, but what this could do for you is, if lets say you were investigating a business, its closed weekends. You go in on a friday, set up the equipment and let it run till early monday. You now just look at alarms and the charts. This would give you peak activity times, what activity is happening. You now have data driven times of what to expect and when to expect it. You now go in and work those areas.
Now as far as the woman doing evp work, that is human involvement. The computer style investigator isn't asking questions, but I suppose you could program it too, the computer program is monitoring energy, moisture, temperature, video, sound, radiation, and static electricity. You could learn what is effected by paranormal more and this may become a tool to communicate with greater precision. I have just started looking into this and hopefully will set up some style of a system to start checking data within the next 6 months. The netbotz are capable of sending out alarm emails incase something is causing your results to be out of the control limits. You can also monitor this from an outside location. As far as a entity messing with it, this may teach a better way to communicate. Once again just my opinion. -------------------- |
| texas_troll |
Posted: Sep 12 2008, 03:55 PM
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the main problems i see with a set up like this...
1) interference (electrical and human)and not being able to varify that the signals or storage devices or equipment have been tampered with, rendering evidence almost useless. 2) frequently on investigations, batteries of all types go dead until removed from the situation. we had the idea of mounting a camera on a small blimp (available at most hobby stores) to reach an area that had become unsafe in a multi story building. the battery issue is exactly the thing that prevented us from doing so. when it goes dead, how would we recover it? how could we prove that the wireless mic's and camera were not recieving cross signals. there will always be a need for human involvement. -------------------- Matthew 16:19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." "A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort." -Herm Albright |
| DF Mod Lady_Zandraa |
Posted: Sep 13 2008, 04:31 AM
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I am sorry I don't think that technology can replace investigators. There are uses for technology in investigations but a camera cannot "feel" the presence of anything. It has to be controlled somehow. Yes there are tools that can register changes in temperature but can they do it independantly in different areas? Can any technology pray for the deliverance of someone? I can't see it happening. Technological devices have no instincts and no souls. They need us to function.
The human factor is an awful big part in the investigation process. -------------------- Boy I am glad I like lemonade! |
| MIPRDave |
Posted: Sep 13 2008, 11:18 PM
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I am still a firm believer that the best piece of equipment we take with us on any investigation is our mind. Of course, I also believe that this piece of "equipment" must be well taken care of.
Subjective experiences probably make up 90 percent of all recorded paranormal accounts that come from investigations. Our senses can tell us many things - our sight can perceive the movement of objects or other phenomena in the environment, we can hear sounds and determine which direction they come from. The sense of smell might allow us a quick whiff of a phantom smell, and the sense of touch can help us to detect hot or cold spots, and sometimes other signs of physical interaction. Cameras, audio recorders, thermometers, emf meters...any other piece of hardware we bring is meant to work in tandem with our five senses ( I personally haven't heard of any phantom tastes, but I am sure that somebody out there has claimed to experience it), and by using the hardware to objectively investigate, we can often verify our subjective experiences with them. I don't believe that equipment will ever replace the serious investigator - just my honest opinion. -------------------- "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." - Herbert Spencer
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| TexasNeuro |
Posted: Dec 18 2008, 04:28 AM
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Will technology replace the investigator?
This is an interesting subject and a question asked by many. Not just in anomalies Research but many in different fields. In healthcare we can now do bypass surgery with remote access, Some MD in a far away place sits at a computer. The CRT displays a patient lying on a table. Here we find the patient draped, and ready for surgery. The MD takes control sticks in hand. Robotic arms move up to the surgery table and the Heart Bypass begins. Heart Bypass is not the only surgeries being done by remote access. This new technology had healthcare workers in a buzz. “Will remote access replace all staff members”.. Not at all. There is the human element needed in the equation. The surgery patient does well with this type of procedure, however there can be unexpected complications. One of the largest we face is variations in anatomy. Human intervention is necessary to solve difficulties from the unexpected. Paranormal Investigation also may see variations in what is considered the “Norm”. Entities are different. Demons of course by their very nature try and manipulate and cause chaos. Human spirits have had different experiences that they carry to the other side. Psychology has to be put into play. Investigational equipment can not factor in the psychological needs of the spirit world. My 2 cents Wayne Aka Texas Neuro -------------------- |
| Twinkle |
Posted: Dec 30 2008, 06:20 PM
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I would agree that the human element is still needed. Part of what is necessary in spiritual warfare is a love for humanity, and with that comes empathy, compassion, strength of will, piety, and spirituality.
Technology cannot emulate these things...they are unique to humanity. -------------------- He is not strong and powerful who throweth people down; but he is strong who witholdeth himself from anger.
Muhammad |
| grendal |
Posted: May 9 2009, 05:06 PM
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I'd say we'd need to find out....maybe one day when I can get some mega bucks I will make robo team 5000
If it is the human element, then robo team will catch nothing. While if it's not the hunam element then robo team will prove to be equally effective. If not it's a pile of scrap...maybe I can program it to wait on the team...I can see it now... twinkle says over the radio hey base I need a soda... hand robo waiter a soda and then send him to twinkle -------------------- Beware spirits....you never know where I'll pop up next.... You run, I chase, you chase, I stand my ground, you cuss I cuss more, you slap me, I laugh at you. Throw things at me, throw me through the room, you don't scare me and I will continue to hunt you. Proud member of SIRS www.sirsparanormal.com
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| DemonBuster27 |
Posted: Sep 10 2010, 09:46 AM
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Honestly, I dont think that any level of technology coul dever replace a persons human sensory perception... I speak of course that when it come down to the wire...only a person can decide if the EMF readings he is picking up are paranormal in nanture.
Look, it is like I heard on the movie "Ironman" when Rhodes was talking to a group of fighter pilots...Rhodes stated that even with the invention of unmanned aircrafts...nothing can top a human pilots sense of judgement and skill in the air! |
| grendal |
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I beg to differ, human sences are being more and more accurately replicated each day within the field of robotics. The current sensors that are commonly available span touch, distance, light, sound, strain, rotation, magnetism, smell, temperature, inclination, pressure, and altitude. We are closer to A.I then ever before. Forget the name of the company, but Japan is now selling robot companions. I also know of Roxxxy made by TrueCompanion unveiled at the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas. Japan's latest is HRP-4C, wich has 8 motors in the face to allow expersion from winking, to anger to surprise. Another one is surprisingly remarkable is Kismet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKZczUDGp_I DURIP (defense university research instrumentation program) granted MIT to develop nexi. The program administered through the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, the Army Research Office, and the Office of Naval Research. The DURIP program is for the acquisition of major equipment to augment current or develop new research capabilities to support research in the technical areas of interest to the DoD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQS2zxmrrrA So could a person be replicated, yes, given time, could it be put into the field and thus prove weather humans effect the out come of an investigaton, that we are the cause of paranormal activity. will we be able to completely remove a human from the field, no, someone must read the data given, and thus determine what is paranormal. -------------------- Beware spirits....you never know where I'll pop up next.... You run, I chase, you chase, I stand my ground, you cuss I cuss more, you slap me, I laugh at you. Throw things at me, throw me through the room, you don't scare me and I will continue to hunt you. Proud member of SIRS www.sirsparanormal.com
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| DemonBuster27 |
Posted: Sep 11 2010, 02:15 AM
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So are you trying to say that your own HUMAN judgement can be replaced by machines as well?
I mean come on...if you gave a robot A.I., then handed it an EMF detector, and asked it to find you a ghost...would it find the readings of a real ghost? or would it pick up readings of EMF coming from the wall outlet and say that there is a ghost there? I am playing devils advocate here, sure the robotics field is getting very advanced for what it is...but does that mean that you can give a robot A.I. and be able to tell the difference between a ghost signature and a wire in the wall...worse yet, the EMF of its self? The ONLY way I see robots/ androids going out and doing your job as a ghost hunter...is for any robot to not only have an A.I., but also become self aware! For a robot to be afraid of dying...afraid of failure, it has to atain it's own spirit! So in a sense, if a robot was possessed by a spirit...then it could maybe tell the difference between spiritual energy and electrical energy... I am sorry, I just dont see it working any further than being a servant for the investigators! No life force means no distinguishing between whats natural EMF and what is paranormal. Unfortunately I do not see another "Johnny 5" situation (robot comes alive has feelings other than what he was programmed with) and helping us with hunting ghosts... They lack the human element! We can tell the difference between whats ghostly and what isnt! A machine is only as smart as the programing it has...you cant run windows vista in a stock windows 3.1 computer...it just wouldnt work... |
| grendal |
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You can program it to find anomalies, there are robots who are classified but are placed on military ships that don't have sonar or don't have the ability to be equiped with sonar. This robot is able to detect the magnetics of mines. There are robots who can detect mines.
Your saying it in a sence robots are going to be in the field making decisions, no thats very very long off, but I do believe in time a robot can be programed to find anomolies. I'm saying in the near future with funding, and the brains, a robot controlled via tether can be in a place such as waverly gathering data, and bringing it back for us to make a decision. It collects data, we make the call what is relevant. As for emf there are emf resistant paints, the more you slap on the harder it is for emf to penetrate. The theory is paranormal activity is fueled by a human presence...if you remove the human investigator and input a robotic stand in, and your still catching evidence, then that theory is debunked. Paranormal activity happens reguardless if your there or not. -------------------- Beware spirits....you never know where I'll pop up next.... You run, I chase, you chase, I stand my ground, you cuss I cuss more, you slap me, I laugh at you. Throw things at me, throw me through the room, you don't scare me and I will continue to hunt you. Proud member of SIRS www.sirsparanormal.com
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| DemonBuster27 |
Posted: Sep 13 2010, 02:04 AM
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Honestly, if the theory is that paranormal activity IS indeed feuled by human activity...then what in the world is the spirit feeding off of?
If the paranormal is feeding on the human activity...could it be that the paranormal feeds on the bioelectric charge that courses thru our bodies? (hint: all human bodies have an electrical charge that keeps it going...an electrical charge the beats the heart...an electrical charge that pulses thru our nervous system...and contracts our muscles) As I said, if the paranormal feeds on our Bioelectric charge...then whatever that charge is...it can be just the case that an artificial human (robot) has a power cell that is emitting a charge that the paranormal activity will feed off of just the same! The only way to "debunk" the activity as you say would be to find a type of powercell that NO spirit could feed on...(which would be impossible since they can feed on ANY electrical charge!) IF you took that powersource and attached it to a camera...you may be able to "debunk" the activity. However, I would reccomend that you get a good set of telephoto lenses for your video camera...sit far enough away from an outdoor haunted location, and see if any activity manifests...then the next night, walk around the haunted location and review the evidence to see what changes are from night to night. You have to remember that humans and robots will be in a minute way similar..we both give off an energy that ghosts feed on to manifest.... So let me ask you again...what good would their be in allowing the robot to feed the ghosts any more than the human would...your just asking for a third person viewing either way! Plus I have friends in the military who work in the pentagon...I know whats classified and what is not...Our robotics devision is NOT that advanced...and at our rate, will never be as advanced as japan's robot. Hell, Ive submited more robotic patents to the military development devision that have been denied because they are reported to be taking out the "human element" The military only uses equipment that was proven to work...or has a manual backup operation for safety. So chances of a terminator are slim and none! Now unless a robot can measure spiritual energy and correctly seperate that energy from electrical, and natural emf emissions...I seriously dont believe that a robot could ever do the same job as a human investiagtor! There are just too many variables to consider! BTW...you would be right to say that we can let the robot collect data, while we make the desicion..... However...the only way we could do that would be to let the robot record all EVP and VDEO and STILL photo data.... When it comes to any EMF readings...nothing can top a humans emotional feelings in the perception of paranormal activity...Afterall, you have to prove that there is paranormal activity at the place...and prove that it is worth the effort to conduct the investigation in the first place...right? |
| grendal |
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The theory is that the activity is only happening cause WE are there. I believe they can feed off us if they can feed off a battery they can feed off us. If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Send in the robot! No one is still there to hear the tree fall. Yet we will know if it makes a sound when we retrieve the robot and play back the digital recorder. American robotics division is, the military division isn't, their only after robots that can kill, or serve a military purpose, a robot with emotions can only nag you to death! We are currently 2 years behind japan, tech wise, as compaired to 3 years ago when we were 6 years behind japan. We're gaining ground, it will take time. No one mentioned sending a terminator into the super natural field. We can't measure spiritual energy either, we can measure emf and other forms of fields in the field, using hand held devices. We can outfit a robot to use the same devices we use. Data logging hand held devices are a bit more expensive but they are out there. You can take and connect them to a computer and read the data and make a judgement. You don't need to investigate to test the robot out, if you go back to a place you've already investigated.
It is human emotion and feelings and their perceptions that can ruin an investigation. Your feelings your emotions get in the way of the truth. I can feel there is a demon about to kill me with all this crap hollywood wants you to feel in the middle of the thearter, doesn't mean those feelings are true. A robot is cold, it doesn't have feelings, it don't have emotions, least not yet, and that is why they'd make the perfect objective investigator. -------------------- Beware spirits....you never know where I'll pop up next.... You run, I chase, you chase, I stand my ground, you cuss I cuss more, you slap me, I laugh at you. Throw things at me, throw me through the room, you don't scare me and I will continue to hunt you. Proud member of SIRS www.sirsparanormal.com
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