Non-christian cleansing, cleansing, blessing, oppression

[jelee5]

I have a case involving what I believe to be demonic oppression. There are children involved and now the entity seems to be traveling from one dwelling to another next door.

I am an Ordained Minister/Demonologist. I cannot in good conscious perform a Christian cleansing/blessing if all the inhabitants are not Christian as well. The husband wears a pentagram and believes in Wicken. He has also been baptised as a Christian.

I would like to be able to refer them to someone who would be able to perform the ceremony if I cannot. I truly hope and pray that I will be able to assist them; but just in case, I am looking for someone in the Phoenix Arizona area who would be willing to perform a cleansing/blessing.

Pastor Elizabeth

[grendal]

Well if the husband believes in wiccan. I sugguest a smudging. It's a native american blessing used to remove evil spirits. The herbs thyme,tobacco, rosemary, white sage, sweet grass and cedar in my opinion are best.

I will always recommend to use during the blessing
the sage, which should be white sage, also burn thyme, sweet grass,
tobacco and cedar with a window cracked and save that room with the
window open last. Get every corner of the house filled with smoke. The
cedar must be red cedar. Sweet grass should be braided in threes. This
represents, love, kindness, and honesty.

Sage drives off bad spirits, feelings, or influences, and also to keep
bad spirits from entering the area where a ceremony takes place.

Cedar is burned while praying either aloud or silently. The prayers
rise on the cedar smoke and are carried to the Creator, or god.

Sweetgrass brings in the good spirits and the good influences. As with
cedar, burning sweetgrass while praying sends prayers up to the
Creator in the smoke.

Thyme, rosemary, are said to be powerful for protection when love is
involved and you love your family.

After which close the window and bury at the 4 corners of the home
against the home's foundation 4 blessed medals of saint michael. Should make sure you smudge every room basement and attic. Otherwise, it's trapped in the home.

The smoke drives it out, the medals form a boundary of protection.

If it is demonic, you'll know it. There is nothing wrong with giving a non christian blessing or exorcism. Non christians can be given blessings or exorcism. Though I recommend them to believe or it won't be as strong. A smudging might be best for them for a blessing.

In this field one must be a bit flexible for the client. I'm born and raised catholic I've done smudgings for many who believe their house has evil. The only problems will be if it is demonic, a blessing won't make it go away. It will come back...and it will be worse. Make sure you leave a number that they can always reach you on, night or day and be ready to go at a moments notice.

[jelee5]

Thank you so much. I understand there are many beliefs and I am somewhat flexible; however, I am a Christian Minister and therefore, the only cleansings/blessings I will do are Christian. I am not saying the other doesn't work. I am only saying that I can only do what , in my heart, is real and good.


I understand if it is demonic (which I strongly believe it is) they are going to need a lot of help. But if the client does not believe in the ritual I am performing, it will not work.

I also know that a Native American cleansing/blessing will not work if it is demonic. I will stay involved throughout this case until it concludes and further.

If the client wants something other than a Christian ritual, I cannot do it. I just can't. If that makes me unflexible than so be it. I have a very strong faith and know that a Christian blessing is what they need, but I will not push it on them. If they decide to go with another form of blessing, my heart tells me they will be calling me again for help and I will be there for them.

Thank you so much for your advise.

Pastor Elizabeth

[grendal]

The problem with demonic cases is there's many steps. Often a blessing must be done first before a full blown exorcism. If it is demonic then yes it will fail, but there are spirits who like to play at being demonic. Without a blessing of any kind one cannot really determine if it's demonic. Even with the rather large list of questions I ask in a suspected demonic case, there's too many other factors that may lead to causing those answers.

For example I had a case that I did think was demonic, reports of smells of bad breath, fish, a major infection smell, vomit and feces. I managed to track down these bad smells. While I'm catholic I delievered a smudging to help the family with what I couldn't debunk. They've had no problems since then. The most interesting of there experiance was a shadow of a man and when it appeared you'd hear a male voice saying kill...then as fast as it appeared would walk towards the young woman having the experiance and then it would fade away while reaching out all the while the temprature dropped until it faded away.

While alarming and certainly characteristic of a demon in nature, it wasn't. The entity even named it's self as a name refuring to a demon in islamic religion a jinn, yet it was just beefing it's self up. The reason is it was negative human not negative inhuman and it was feeding off of the fear it created.

Demonic cases are very rare, in my 10 years in the field I've only had one and am currently working on it. I've had numerous cases over 100 that had a demonic possibility but only 1 turned out to be demonic. There are some who go their whole life without a demonic case...though seemingly this is getting rarer.

Often demonic cases are very spiritual in nature for the client, and may be very eye opening. If the devil and demons exist then so must god and his angels, and that does put a belief into the client. Even if they believed in god before, god is not just 1 name, 1 religion, I believe and I mean no offence but god is multi facted, god is every religion the only difference is that that person was made by god and given free will to choose, and they were made in a way they might be more prone to pick 1 faith over another. I believe even if their faith is different from yours, the ritual that you perform will work as long as they have faith in god, they might not agree with everything in your religion but that higher belief in god is what will make the ritual successful.

For example, the baptist and catholic churches, Many Catholic churches emphasize sacraments (taking communion, saying "Hail Mary"s, etc.) as being a necessary part of salvation - Baptist churches tend to deemphasize the importance of such things in regard to salvation, emphasizing instead the role of faith in God alone. Exorcisms performed by those who are not catholic and on non christians have been performed and are successful. Some times with the practioners help they client sometimes even converts, or at least gives the practioners religion a try to see if it's for them before converting.

God loves all his children, and will not forsake them in their hour of need no matter what race, religion or your name for god is, as long as you believe in god anything is possible.

[jelee5]

Very well said. I will take it under consideration. As demonic cases are extemely rare, (yet there are a lot of demonologists that jump to that conclusion rapidly) I have been given the gift of spiritual discernment by God. Not that I wanted it, but what is a girl to do?

In my family alone, we have experienced 3 demonic events that were horrific and creepy beyond belief. I finally decided to STOP being scared and trust in the power of the blood sacrificed at Calvary and in the love of our Savior Jesus. Lo and behold, it WORKS!

As, you stated, I also believe that demonic attacks are happening more and more frequently and that it why I decided to try to help others.

Again, thank you so much for your advice.

Pastor Elizabeth