I'm relatively new to this daemonology thing, but things around here seem to be fairly christian-catholic focused. I'm fairly atheist, so I find myself being overly skeptical. I'm mostly curious as to how many people out there think of daemons as being fallen angels. My theory for the existence of "things other" is simply that. "Things other" essentially means to me that whatever is there is either too complicated to be fully comprehended, or just exists outside of our visible spectrum.
How many like-minded daemonologists are out there?

I'm not a trained demonologist, but What ever you call them, fallen angels, spiritual parasites, fluffy bunnies (some groups do call them that), they do exist. I'm far away from religious myself. Not because I don't believe but I seek in my own way.

It's possible to be trained in Daemonology? The only Daemonologists I've ever heard of are the Warrens, and they don't seem to be hiring.

yes there is training in demonology. Since 1960 the catholic church swelled from 30-300 full time trained demonologists.

There is also John Zaffis and our very own keith.

You need to have a calling though to be a demonologist.

Well, I wouldn't exactly call myself religious either. My team and I try to make the study of negative entities as scientific as we can. I don't know what they are as of yet, I suspect they may be some type of interdimensional beings, but they could be anything, for all we know. I do know that if you read to them from the bible, they don't like it. But at the same time any mention of love or light makes them angry too. So, I can't tell you what they are, but I do believe that by being methodical and scientific, more people will believe these things exist, when we bring back credible evidence of their existence.

There are tons of views on what demons are - and many of them are frankly, just plain wacked. I personally and firmly believe demons are fallen angels. The Bible has stood the test of time and textual criticism very well; then, to that I add my faith and 53 years of life experience. So, my own approach is to evaluate things to be true as to whether or not they can be tied to scripture, either implicitly or explicitly - everything else is merely subjective and therefore is simply an opinion with no objective mooring or epistemological fixed point of reference (i.e. relativism). In other words, the idea that we all have our own thoughts & views, and that no one of ours is any better than the other - is just plain wrong and naive in my view. So, you could say that my understanding that demons are fallen angels are based upon four strong criteria (known as the Wesleyan quadrilateral) wherein demons as fallen angels has much support: scripture, reason, experience, and history (tradition). One could also add to those four the criteria of "practicality": in other words, this approach works. With that being said then (about objective truth coming from outside of us versus subjective [pseudo]truth that comes from inside of us), I would say that it is not so much that I believe that demons are fallen angels as that I recognize that fact. I didn't come up with the idea, but I recognize a truth that exists whether we (humans) choose to believe it or not. :)

-Mike

My personal belief for daemon explanation has to do psychics. I'm of the opinion that when someone has negative emotions in the extreme, they leave a psychic imprint on their surrounding environment, which can coalesce into a semi-sentient amalgamation of hopes, lusts, hatreds, and fears. These beings terrorize humans as a way of reciprocating these feelings and essentially feeding off of the fear and hate and hopelessness they sow among humans with their presence. Religious objects such as the bible are merely symbols that the human mind reaches out to and gives importance to in daemon-related scenarios. The feeling of strength one gets from such an object stops the flow of negativity, and pisses off or possibly harms the daemon.

And I wouldn't think of daemonology as a calling for me, it's just sort of something I would like to specialize in to a certain degree.

Note: Anything I say matter-of-factly is mere speculation. I do not pretend to have much knowledge of daemons, it's just opinion combined with some earlier theories of mine.

Ah I see what your getting at. You wanna be a one stop shop so to speak in the field.

Your belief makes me think of a thing I wrote here. http://z3.invisionfree.com/Demonologists_F...?showtopic=4583

There is another article on demons on my page.

http://www.freewebtown.com/grendal/demons.html

That's a good way to look at it!
I agree with many of the points you make, our emotions and how we think/believe etc carries a lot of weight in what we attract or repel.
:)

Well, to get down to the reason I'm here, I have something in my house and I don't know what to do about it. I've had it for as long as I can remember, and I really want to nip my personal daemon in the bud, as my girlfriend is moving in and I don't want her to have to deal with this kinda stuff.

For my entire life, whenever I'm alone with no one around for about an hour, I'll start to hear things. I used to chock it up to paranoia, as I would hear voices and tapping noises on doors and windows. But about six years ago, when I started to date my soon-to-be fiancee, things in my house started to move about. Small things, like cutlery and comic books. About two years after that, she broke up with me. For several nights after the break-up, nothing occurred in my house. I then received a call from her, where she was freaking out because something slammed her repeatedly into a wall when she was home alone. After that incident, I did an impromptu daemon-removal (wasn't really an exorcism, I just wanted to annoy it enough to leave). I put on my best orator's voice and read some stuff from the bible. No specific passages, I just flipped it open and started reading. It threw some books and dvds around before breaking a window and leaving. After that, there was no sign of it, until she and I got back together several months after the incident. Then the voices returned, and I would occasionally find cryptic messages on the door to my bedroom. This became a normal occurrence, until my friend from high school moved in with me. He moved into what used to be the guest bedroom, which is where I would usually hear the tapping noises coming from. For about a week, he would tell me about hearing strange noises in the room, and this guttural, hollow voice telling him to leave before he was forced to. He then refused to sleep in that room, and since then we've slept in the same room (in separate beds, of course).
Things settled down again, with only the occasional wall-writing or midnight growling to reveal its presence.

three weeks ago, my girlfriend asked me if she could move in. When she asked, this wave of nausea and hatred for her washed over me, and i nearly hit her. That's not the kind of person I am. After a minute of sweating and shaking, I said yes. That night, I was sitting by myself in the office, when I started hearing this tapping from the downstairs guest bedroom. Since this usually means something odd's going to happen, I decided to turn up the music and lock the door, which is my usual way of telling it "i'm ignoring you, go away". After Several minutes I heard knocking on the office door. I opened it, thinking my friend was home and was complaining about my music. There was no one there. I tried to close the door, but found I couldn't move. I then felt a very feminine, sexually charged presence, with underlying hints of anger and jealousy. Hands started to move over my body, and I heard a guttural voice say "I'll never leave you. We're okay". I won't go into details, but I was sexually assaulted in the doorway. I couldn't move. All I could do was watch and wait, feeling everything. I blacked out 20 minutes into my paralysis, and woke up naked on the floor of the guest bedroom floor, with my friend shaking me and begging me to stop crying. Since then, I've felt a presence in bed with me every night, and I've occasionally felt a hand brush through my hair when no one was there. To be entirely truthful, I can feel it behind me as I'm writing this. My girlfriend's moving in next week, and I've tried anything in my knowledge to get rid of this. Contrary to my beliefs, I've had a "psychic" and a catholic priest who says he's done exorcisms come into my house and say there was nothing they could do at the moment. I can deal with the molestation and constant whisperings in the back of my mind, but I don't want anything to happen to Anna.

Well, to get down to the reason I'm here, I have something in my house and I don't know what to do about it. I've had it for as long as I can remember, and I really want to nip my personal daemon in the bud, as my girlfriend is moving in and I don't want her to have to deal with this kinda stuff.

For my entire life, whenever I'm alone with no one around for about an hour, I'll start to hear things. I used to chock it up to paranoia, as I would hear voices and tapping noises on doors and windows. But about six years ago, when I started to date my soon-to-be fiancee, things in my house started to move about. Small things, like cutlery and comic books. About two years after that, she broke up with me. For several nights after the break-up, nothing occurred in my house. I then received a call from her, where she was freaking out because something slammed her repeatedly into a wall when she was home alone. After that incident, I did an impromptu daemon-removal (wasn't really an exorcism, I just wanted to annoy it enough to leave). I put on my best orator's voice and read some stuff from the bible. No specific passages, I just flipped it open and started reading. It threw some books and dvds around before breaking a window and leaving. After that, there was no sign of it, until she and I got back together several months after the incident. Then the voices returned, and I would occasionally find cryptic messages on the door to my bedroom. This became a normal occurrence, until my friend from high school moved in with me. He moved into what used to be the guest bedroom, which is where I would usually hear the tapping noises coming from. For about a week, he would tell me about hearing strange noises in the room, and this guttural, hollow voice telling him to leave before he was forced to. He then refused to sleep in that room, and since then we've slept in the same room (in separate beds, of course).
Things settled down again, with only the occasional wall-writing or midnight growling to reveal its presence.

three weeks ago, my girlfriend asked me if she could move in. When she asked, this wave of nausea and hatred for her washed over me, and i nearly hit her. That's not the kind of person I am. After a minute of sweating and shaking, I said yes. That night, I was sitting by myself in the office, when I started hearing this tapping from the downstairs guest bedroom. Since this usually means something odd's going to happen, I decided to turn up the music and lock the door, which is my usual way of telling it "i'm ignoring you, go away". After Several minutes I heard knocking on the office door. I opened it, thinking my friend was home and was complaining about my music. There was no one there. I tried to close the door, but found I couldn't move. I then felt a very feminine, sexually charged presence, with underlying hints of anger and jealousy. Hands started to move over my body, and I heard a guttural voice say "I'll never leave you. We're okay". I won't go into details, but I was sexually assaulted in the doorway. I couldn't move. All I could do was watch and wait, feeling everything. I blacked out 20 minutes into my paralysis, and woke up naked on the floor of the guest bedroom floor, with my friend shaking me and begging me to stop crying. Since then, I've felt a presence in bed with me every night, and I've occasionally felt a hand brush through my hair when no one was there. To be entirely truthful, I can feel it behind me as I'm writing this. My girlfriend's moving in next week, and I've tried anything in my knowledge to get rid of this. Contrary to my beliefs, I've had a "psychic" and a catholic priest who says he's done exorcisms come into my house and say there was nothing they could do at the moment. I can deal with the molestation and constant whisperings in the back of my mind, but I don't want anything to happen to Anna.

Hmm, not really a whole lot that can be done. The only thing I could sugguest would...without a doubt anger it and it could still remain after. A smudging with white sage. The best person to speak to about smudging is Aneaglesangel, she's done many and can do them properly. Believe she'd be more then happy to tell you how to do it. You'll need the help of 4 friends though. From my understanding you own your own house. At the 4 corners of the house, dig a small hole and place blessed medallions, St michael is most common, but use what you believe will ward off evil. Leave 1 corner open, this way, the smoke will drive it out, and then once it is gone, seal off that corner by placing the last medallion into the ground and burying it.

The only problems are:

timing of the last medallion, if the timing is off and it's still inside you've pretty much trapped it in your home...and it'll be angry...very angry..no telling what level it will go to.

Ritual has no effect. Some demons in my opinion are very resistant to sage. They are not easy to remove, usually high level demons. The greater the demon, the harder to remove it.

Thanks for the advice. I've tried the sage thing, but never heard of the medallions. Where would one get their hands on some?

In my opinion their a form of reliquary. A church, ebay....probably can find some at yard sales, or flea markets. Then get them blessed to ward off evil in what ever religion you believe in.

Just a follow up, I did some research, and mostly on ebay, you can get st michaels medals for 99 cents each with free shipping, and some go up to...well 2 grand each. (solid 14k gold wich isn't what we're after) The blessing can be done by your spiritual leader of the faith you follow. If you were catholic the father of the church could bless them. (paypal is generally your best bet, cause if something goes wrong and the person you bought from scammed ya, you got proof and can get a refund.)

I hit 20 other stores online and they were 20-700 a peice. I used st michael as a reference. Figure st michael is the most popular saint since he is also the patron saint of police.

Not sure wich faith you believe in, but again make sure it's a religious figure who triumphed over evil that you believed in and has been blessed by who ever would do that in your faith.

I'm atheist, unfortunately. I'll just get a symbol of someone I believe in who triumphed over evil.

Well, I made the mistake of yelling at the thing and telling it that I was going to get rid of it. Right now the power's out (I'm bumming off my neighbor's internet on my laptop), my friend got knocked out and raped in the guest bedroom, he's bleeding from his face and genitals and babbling in german right now, and i only have twelve minutes of battery on my computer and it won't stop banging on the door. I tried using a picture of my girlfriend to ward it off, as she is a person who constantly defeats evil (metaphorically, but still), and it only got more pissed. And to make matters even worse, it's 20 degrees in the house, as there is no heat, and i don't have a coat in this room. I really don't want to get raped and murdered by something I can't even see. Oh god, the screaming. The worst part of this is that I'm not scared. I just really don't want to die. This is Mechanicus96, and I'm prolly not gonna make it through the night.

you will make it...hmmm anywhere near rhode island by any chance?

Well, extreme times call for extreme measures. I banished the daemon several minutes after making my "i will not survive" post. I didn't have any of those st. michael medallions on hand, so I banished it using some crosses inscribed with Kanji of warding... Not sure how that added up but it worked. Only problem is I didn't have a shovel or anything to dig with, so I had to go through a cumulative foot of permafrost using my bare hands. Also, while I was busy banishing my friend got attacked again. He has a broken arm and some cracked ribs. Soon after burying the Kanji Crosses around the house, I heard a loud bang and the back door of my house burst open, and this... blur came streaking out of the house and off into the woods ( I have a national park right behind my house). I pretty much walked into the house ,put a blanket over me and my friend and passed out. I woke up two hours later to the sound of snow crunching out side my house and checked it out. apparently the warding kept it out of the house, but it's determined. It was walking around outside about 20 feet away from the house, keeping its distance from the kanji crosses. It's still after me, but at least I can sleep without having to worry about being molested and beaten by thin air.
Overall Damages:
- three broken doors
-my walls are pretty much ruined due to all the holes and claw marks and whatnot
- My friend's broken arm and ribs
- Two broken fingers and the loss of all fingernails
- my cat phoebe. May she rest in peace.

now comes the really really really hard part...getting rid of it for good. This where someone with a strong background and year of expertise is needed. You got a safe zone, a foot hold for finally being free and rid of it.

I've stepped away from this subject matter because religious ideation does seem to be key in trying to get rid of what is hurting people.

As an atheist (which simply means lack of belief for those who might think it means one scoffs at religion), I honestly would have no clue what would work in getting rid of something, when there is no real belief in the supernatural?

I honestly have issues with the idea of the Supernatural as well, so it always leave me confused as to which way to go. Either this stuff is above Natural Law, or it isn't.

Easiest thing to do is to go to your nearest Catholic bookstore. They keep a good supply of St. Michael's medallions- as they are very popular. A Virgin Mary medallion would help you too, as she is the one that crushes Satan's head in the end.

However, if you do not believe in Christ's existence, it is very dangerous to confront the demonic. Read what happens to those who try to act in Christ's name but do not believe, in Acts 19:13-20. Just consider carefully what you're going to do. Just do not want you to be uninformed. I would be remiss if I didn't tell you this information.

I've said a prayer for you. Blessings,
Mike

It's been my experience that an inhuman identity doesn't like any sort of religious interference, although they seem to hate Christianity most.

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