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 If the Persians won, A what if qustion
ugabug
Posted: Jan 5 2008, 10:07 PM


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What if the Persians won the Greco-Persians war and conquered Greece how would this change history?


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Capt. Jak
Posted: Jan 5 2008, 11:30 PM


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nothing would be the same


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jebusrocks
Posted: Jan 5 2008, 11:35 PM


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Really depends; how long the Persians will be able to hold the land. Had they defeated the United Greek Fleet at Salamis, it's quite open. The Greek City-stats have always been living separately from each other, so I'm not quite sure if a seperate Greece will be able to fight the Persians back for a while (perhaps Macedonia). However, in overall plot of History, I'm quite not sure. Most of Greek beliefs would still be there and nobody really cared about their scientific achievements until the Renaissance era


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Capt. Jak
Posted: Jan 5 2008, 11:37 PM


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do you not think they would have not destroyed everthing of the greeks...


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jebusrocks
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 12:08 AM


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Would Xerxes have done such a thing though? He knew it would cause some feelings of revolt and stuff, and I doubt he'd carry on to badly. Obviously, they will still treasures and sack a city to a certain degree; but I highly doubt Greek culture, architecture, etc. would be damaged at all.


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Capt. Jak
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 12:10 AM


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u have a good point. what about the language? or were they the same?


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scholar
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 12:44 AM


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no


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Capt. Jak
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 12:55 AM


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then do you not think the greek language would have been lost?


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Date Teramune
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Skill 2: The Date Way- Teramune can appear beside any enemy unit on the battlefield without losing a turn.

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Skill 1: Defections- Enemy unit nearest to Motonobu loses 1000 troops to Motonobu's unit.
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scholar
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 01:06 AM


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no


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sparkingAC195
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 01:18 AM


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QUOTE (scholar @ Jan 6 2008, 05:06 PM)
no

Some very detailed posts there scholar...


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wassupimviet
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 01:26 AM


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VERY concise and to the point, though.

Let's see, the general populous would still know and speak the language, and so it would not have been lost. Butchering the vast majority of them is not possible either. Taken into slavery, same thing. A language can't just up and disappear like that.


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sparkingAC195
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 01:40 AM


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I actually have a different idea of a possible religious change,
there are indian records that state that one Greek King did in fact, convert to Buddhism, although there are no records of this in Greek ore western records obviously. but it does raise a possibility that Buddhism may have spreat to Europe.


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"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance. " Ali
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong" Gandhi
"If you want to learn to swim, jump into the water. On dry land, no frame of mind is ever going to help you." Bruce Lee
"Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do." Bruce Lee
"Recompense injury with justice, and recompense kindness with kindness. " Confucius
"I would never kill the one person who understood me." Treize Khushrenada
"A war with no civility only gives rise to massacre. " Treize Khushrenada
"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." Sun Tsu
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jebusrocks
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 03:08 AM


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Anyways, I believe the word "Barbarian" actually came from the differentials between Persian and Greek. The Greek, whenver they heard the Persians speak, could only hear "barb barb" hence the word barbarian was formed

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I actually have a different idea of a possible religious change,
there are indian records that state that one Greek King did in fact, convert to Buddhism, although there are no records of this in Greek ore western records obviously. but it does raise a possibility that Buddhism may have spreat to Europe.


I highly doubt this; but you never know what really happened in the past happy.gif


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sparkingAC195
Posted: Jan 6 2008, 03:12 AM


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QUOTE (jebusrocks @ Jan 6 2008, 07:08 PM)
Anyways, I believe the word "Barbarian" actually came from the differentials between Persian and Greek. The Greek, whenver they heard the Persians speak, could only hear "barb barb" hence the word barbarian was formed

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I actually have a different idea of a possible religious change,
there are indian records that state that one Greek King did in fact, convert to Buddhism, although there are no records of this in Greek ore western records obviously. but it does raise a possibility that Buddhism may have spreat to Europe.


I highly doubt this; but you never know what really happened in the past happy.gif

it seems like a lot of fiction, but the persians would be more accepting of Indian culture than the greeks, so it is possible had this happened, that buddhism would have seen a wider spread than it did.


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Can you feel a rumbling
Its building up like Thunder inside you
Feel the Earth is Quaking
The air itself is shaking around you
Shadows on the moon
Someone's comming very soon you will meet him
The Midnight rider comes for you
Now is the Time
You know its Right
it is your destiny
And there will be no more turning back
so take your place in history...

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"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. " Lao Tzu
"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance. " Ali
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong" Gandhi
"If you want to learn to swim, jump into the water. On dry land, no frame of mind is ever going to help you." Bruce Lee
"Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do." Bruce Lee
"Recompense injury with justice, and recompense kindness with kindness. " Confucius
"I would never kill the one person who understood me." Treize Khushrenada
"A war with no civility only gives rise to massacre. " Treize Khushrenada
"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." Sun Tsu
"To do two things at once is to do neither" Publilius Syrus
"We desire nothing so much as what we ought not to have." Publilius Syrus
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Posted: Jan 6 2008, 04:11 AM


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The Greeks calling the Persians "barbarians" started during Xenophon's adventure in Persia. The Persians hired Greek mercenaries to help out a rebel named Cyrus, who was the current Persian King's brother. The rebellion failed and Cyrus was beheaded, his head and his hands were hanged to strike fear into people who were going to think about rebellions.

Anyway, Xenophon's troops were promised they would be given provisions and guides from the Persian king, but right when they've gotten far, the Persian king sent a vast army to persue them while they're already tired. Xenophon stood up, talked some sense into his whiny troops and took command of an army. They started avoiding the Persian army and finally reached Greece, where they explained how the Persian 'barbarians' back stabbed them.


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