Who do you guys think was Shu's greatest asset? Please vote and then tell us why you voted for that person and why he is better than the others i have listed.

Zhuge Liang he has a great mind and he is much better than the others on the list

also he is one of my favs

although Zhang Fei and Fa Zheng had much better records than the others

I agree with Scholar 100%. If Liu Bei had not gotten Zhuge Liang, there would have been no Shu. Second, I would say Guan Yu , third, maybe Zhao Yun .

I agree with you all, and since everyone else voted for Zhuge Liang (Undoubtedly Shu's greatest official) i thought i would vote for Shu's greatest General.
Zhao Yun's acts of heroism on the battlefield were almost as important as Zhuge's schemes off.

It is true many of the schemes Zhuge Liang thought of would not have worked if it had not been for the military prowess of Zhao Yun Guan Yu and Zhang Fei, among others.

Zhuge Liang as the best offical and Zhao Yun as the best general.

What about Jiang Wei? wouldn't you all say that he was essential to Shu's later plans?

true only he was also a problem in its almost last years

however in the last DAYS he was a noble patriot and became a martyr for shu

Jiang Wei was the greatest late Shu officer with Xiahou Ba a close second.

Okay, so what is your opinion on Ma Chao everyone?

He was a skilled officer that was just a step under Guan Yu and Zhao Yun to me. He was the key in many battles.

and Zhang Fei also i would like to say after he became a tiger general he did NOTHING he just sat there and scared the qiang

Where in China did the Chiang tribes operate again scholar?

the area around Xi Liang the place where both Han Sui Ma Teng and Ma Chao ruled

Basically the northwest of China.

What do ya'll think about Huang Zhong ?

good old general but died before he could be victorious, too young- but OLD by comparasin to other deaths his lived good and long

He was a valuable asset to the lords he served, and wasn't a liability like Wei Yan.

That's a good subject- "Me..... Smart...." . Was a great second-level warrior for Shu but caused way to much trouble.

EDIT: My Post couldn't come out right. Saying ''To many smiles have appeared, please remove some to post.'' Remove them, this doesn't look good. Z-H-A-O Y-U-N that's what I wanna write, instead Zhao Yun comes out. Which is pretty annoying, because these little figures appear instead of my post.


Actually, chao yun, Ma Chao,kuan yu, chang wei, wei yan, Huang Zhong, Zhuge Liang. Are way to overrated and possibly the worst generals. And only in the novel they are good at what they do. When it comes to history, all these are terrible generals. Novel = Made up story, that never happened.

Guan Yu - Never killed Hua Xiong Sun Chein did that. He lost every battle he was in. And failed to accomplish as much as Chang Fei in life.

Ma Chao - he was an asshole in history. He was a bandit who betrayed his people. and his with the Qiang he hid. Only attacked villages for his amusement.

And I wrote some style names, and wide giles version names. Because I don't wanna get this Zhao Yun in my post.
Zhao Yun - very overrated. Koei games only make him look good, he never fought men in chang ban. He just got lucky and made it to safey with Liu Shan.

kongming - pretty overrated, lost battles in the north wasn't as great as people think he is.

Huang Zhong - he was an ok general, but never did anything special but did when with the help of Fa Zheng on Han Zhong.

Jiang Wei - the worst general in shu. was hated by the people of shu, never contributed to anything. lost all battles against wei.

wei yan - was somewhat ok, but pretty overrated too. got himself in a stupid position that got himself killed. didn't contribute to Xuan De.

chang fei - He was a decent general. He didn't treat his troops like shit like most people think, he learned from his mistakes got better in life, and became very smart. Perhaps the best general in shu, next to wang ping.

And, the 'Five Tiger Rank General' was made up. It never happened in history.

A. Welcome back Ricky! good to see you active and posting again.

B. There is a small box that says ENABLE emoticons?, uncheck it and no emoticons will appear, watch. Zhao Yun, Zhuge Liang, CaoCao1 , Dance with me , "worthless" , i have two heavy sticks , "i love my axe" .

C. please use pinyin, Wade-Giles should be reserved ONLY for more contemporary figures such as Mao Tse-Tung and Sun Yat-Sen.

D. Where are your sources?

his source is history

as i have said before the novel is only 75% accurate and use accurate lightly very lightly its a good second or third sorce but not as a first source

1. Thank you. I thought I should visit again. It has been a while, since my last visit.

2. Thanks again. I found it. It was hard to find it because of these Emotions.

3. I see no problem what I use as long as accurate enough to people.

@ Scholar, the novel is actually 15% accurate if you compare the generals, officers, and strategists. Not the entire story. Most generals are to overrated because of the novel.

4. All of which I said was history. What actually happens. And I get all my believes here. Most reliable source for the three kingdoms history. I'm as well a member, who posts frequently. And I have actual facts to back up my believes.

well its all propaganda good reading 75% of the story but the generals who knows we only know what there actions where not who they were other than cao Zhi was a drunk and Yang Xui had trouble with his mouth keeping his mouth shut

i'm gonna make a novel section, anyobjections?

YES! i just find it too annoying and confusing, there isn't any real reason to split up the section anyway. It just seems like pointless busywork.

ok i see your point, at least 3 members need to overrule a section so who else wants this place back to the way it was

Since none of this has anything to do with Shu officers, I'll get us back on track. Talk about the wife of and her contributions.

other than she was smarter than some men and was not as fair as the object (women) who are wanted she was not cansidered much, however Zhuge Liang saw through this and married her anyway

Personally i can't see what Huang Yue Ying has to do with a novel she's barely in, so maybe you should have posted that somewhere else. After all, this IS the Novel section now.

The novel Yue Ying and the historical yue ying are preacticaly the same

and are you still angry about the novel section existing? if it bothers you that much then i'll get around to changing it

not changing it, merging it into the Sanguo forum, since sanguoshi is the works of Shen Zhou it makes no sense to seperate them.

Okay, Guan Ping s turn.

A good warrior and worthy son of Guan Yu. A honorable man.

Guan Yu wasn't honorable. He was a useless officer who was arrogant and punished his men when he was angry. Not once in history did he win a battle. It was pretty impressive that he defeated Yan Liang though. But other than that. I don't see a reason why he is labeled so highly. Also just would like to add, Guan Ping wasn't adopted.

Novel section Kurama

Guan Ping seems too eager to get involved with affairs of his father and seems too much like LGZ ran out of ideas though thats hard to imagin

I voted Zhao Yun for the simple fact that he ALWAYS did what was asked of him. It's not his fault Bei had too much of a man-crush on him to let him leave his side and go out into battle.

and when he had te chance he was too old to make a true difference

This is why i think you should merge the topics scholar. so we won't get confused.

I voted for Huang Zhong as the best general. Also i think that Fa Zheng is the best offical. You can even see how they worked together and took Mt. Ding Jun as a result of their teamwork.

very true and welcome

Shu greatest asset is Zhuge Liang. He played a major role for Shu. Second I'll say Jiang Wei for helping Shu. Third is Zhao Yun, whose skills proved him worthy in the battlefield and he is a very able officer.