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| Craig Ranke CIT |
Posted: Feb 3 2008, 05:00 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,170 Member No.: 1 Joined: 29-August 07 |
It looks like whoever was hosting his account took it down so here it is for the record.
What's notable is that these guys booked it and hit the deck as anyone would. They completely missed the "impact" and of course the flyover. Allan Wallace says the plane was "white". archived link to account I'll copy it here later but the formatting copies weird so It'll take a bit. |
| DonM |
Posted: Feb 4 2008, 11:32 AM
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Advanced Member Group: "Team" Member Posts: 47 Member No.: 22 Joined: 14-January 08 |
Craig,
But the guy standing beside him said it was a silver AA passenger jet... don't be tempted to just cherry-pick and hear the story that you want to hear. I think that you guys might be over-stressing this "white" thing. I would think that any of your witnesses who only saw the plane for a second or less could be saying "white" when they really mean "light"... and "light" could be white, silver, light yellow, beige or anything similar. In other words, I wouldn't hang my hat on "white" Don |
| Aldo Marquis CIT |
Posted: Feb 4 2008, 01:59 PM
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Investigangsta Group: Admin Posts: 722 Member No.: 2 Joined: 31-August 07 |
Don, I am with you.
I don't know whether it was a custom paint job or what. Levi Stephens and Robert Turcios were adamant that it did not look like an AA. Robert added the silver, because when I spoke with him on the phone he told me it was grey but that he knew what an AA looked like but that he didn't know what that was supposed to be. He was very skiddish about that detail, not realizing the implication of which side of the gas station he saw it on was more crucial, not to mention the pull-up. Perhaps it was an off white plane. Perhaps it had a paint job like a car, metallic flake or something but had the stripes to still fool people. I don't think Lagasse got as good a look as he thinks he did. I think he saw it for a split second and flinched. I am split on the colors, but I know that it did not look like AA and was on the NORTH SIDE OF THE CITGO!!! That's all that matters to me. |
| Craig Ranke CIT |
Posted: Feb 4 2008, 02:20 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,170 Member No.: 1 Joined: 29-August 07 |
I hear ya Don.
I agree with Aldo in that it may have not been totally white and may have had some reflective properties. But the specific "white" claim was so heavily corroborated that it simply could not be ignored or downplayed. As far as anyone who reports it as AA or silver........here are a couple of explanations: 1. Operatives lying to support the official story. 2. Even honest people have a tendency to embellish and tell reporters what they want to hear. Look at what Allan really said: "Mark later recalled the plane was silver and even identified that it was American Airlines." How much later? It wasn't long before it was plastered all over the news that it was supposed to be an AA jet. People would by nature force their minds to match with the official report. It's only natural. In the split second that they saw the plane they could easily convince themselves that they saw the color wrong and then go with the official report. Allan was simply honest enough to publish his immediate impression (and therefore likely most correct one). So in light of this and in light of the nature of the deception it is not "cherry picking" to highlight information that contradicts the official claim. The only reason I personally believe that white was a predominate color is that we found more independent corroboration for this than any other color. |
| DonM |
Posted: Feb 4 2008, 03:39 PM
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Advanced Member Group: "Team" Member Posts: 47 Member No.: 22 Joined: 14-January 08 |
OK.. I hear you.
I'd go along with you, if you find witnesses who adamantly state, of their own volition... "It was WHITE, it was NOT silver"! I think that you really have something with the North Side story, but when you throw in the "white" thing, I think it weakens the story. Critics will just focus on witnesses who say "silver" and dismiss the fact that it was on the north side. Just my opinion... it's your story Don |
| Craig Ranke CIT |
Posted: Feb 4 2008, 03:44 PM
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But we DID find witnesses who adamantly state, of their own volition... "It was WHITE, it was NOT silver"! Haven't you seen this one yet? "Flight 77" The White Plane |
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| kawika |
Posted: Mar 4 2008, 11:30 AM
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Newbie Group: "Team" Member Posts: 4 Member No.: 49 Joined: 4-March 08 |
He says:
I saw a large frame commercial airliner crossing Washington Blvd., heading towards the Pentagon! The plane had two big engines, appeared to be in level flight, and was only approximately 25 feet off the ground and only about 200 YARDS from our location. Questions I want to ask him: 1. The plane came from the North side of the Citgo or the South? 2. If the plane were 25 feet off the ground, how does it miss hitting the road signs? 3. How is it that the two cars parked closer to the impact zone were not hit by wings or blown away by the impact? In early photos they are just barely on fire. 4. Were there any construction trailers to the right of the cars( between cars and generator)? 5. There was chain link construction fencing just to the rear of the cars and around the generator. How come this fencing wasn't dragged inside by the plane? 6. How does building debris end up on Washington Blvd? Some across three full lanes? 7. Did he smell cordite? 8. Did he see any aircraft engines? Wings? Seats? Luggage? Wheels? |
| Craig Ranke CIT |
Posted: Mar 4 2008, 03:21 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,170 Member No.: 1 Joined: 29-August 07 |
Hi kawika and welcome to the forum!
Those are all great questions for Allan Wallace. I wish we could find him so we could ask them all! |
| Quillbilly |
Posted: Mar 8 2008, 05:15 PM
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Newbie Group: "Team" Member Posts: 9 Member No.: 54 Joined: 8-March 08 |
I'd like to add: "How do you explain missing that "bridge", ya' know? The one with the entry restriction signs?". Now, I've gotta hand it to 'em. This was a great piece of flying. Remember, a plane climbs by the tail going [/B], not by the nose coming up. This means that there has to be sufficient room for the tail to drop enough to allow the plane to miss the building without hitting anything else. Very risky.
To me, it had to be higher than indicated or already on the way up to keep from striking the building. Now, don't get me wrong. I DO think your theory is correct. I just wouldn't want to be sitting in the driver's seat. My guess is that it was remote control. Just a guess. If he just cleared the poles he wouldn't have enough room to drop the tail. It just gets "curious and curiouser". |
| kawika |
Posted: Mar 11 2008, 11:30 AM
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Newbie Group: "Team" Member Posts: 4 Member No.: 49 Joined: 4-March 08 |
I believe that everyone who says they saw something in a split second must be given great leeway with their measurements.
Alan Wallace could not guesstimate 25 feet AGL in such a short span of time. He probably saw the belly of a plane as it passed by. I wanna know about the cars, the construction trailers and the chain link fence--- that weren't flying by at 400MPH. They were sitting at ground level with lots of other stuff to compare to. When does this nightmare end? |
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