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 Probst and Mason, Uncollaborative testimony
onesliceshort
Posted: Oct 11 2009, 01:38 PM


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Frank Probst, 58, is a West Point graduate,decorated Vietnam veteran, and retired army lieutenant colonel who has worked for the Pentagon Renovation Program Office on information management and telecommunications since 1995. At approximately 9:30A.M. on September 11 he left the Wedge 1 construction site trailer, where he had been watching live television coverage of the second plane  strike into the World Trade Center towers. He began walking to the Modular Office Compound, which is located beyond the extreme north end of the Pentagon North Parking Lot, for a meeting at 10A.M. As he approached the heliport he noticed a plane flying low over the Annex and heading right for him. According to the Arlington County after-action report (Arlington County, 2002), this occurred at 9:38 a.m. The aircraft pulled up, seemingly aiming for the first floor of the building, and leveled off. Probst hit the ground and observed the right wing tip pass through the portable 750 kW generator that provides backup power to Wedge 1.The right engine took out the chainlink fence and posts surrounding the generator. The left engine struck an external steam vault before the fuselage entered the building. As the fireball from the crash moved toward him, Probst ran toward the South Parking Lot and recalls falling down twice. Fine pieces of wing debris floated down about him.The diesel fuel for the portable generator ignited while he was running. He noted only fire and smoke within the building at the point of impact.
Security personnel herded him and others to the south, and he did not witness the subsequent partial collapse of the building.


As usual the ASCE Report throws up the usual contradictions and speculation. On this occasion, the entire testimony is attributed to Frank Probst in describing word for word the alleged PRECISE damage caused by the supposed "impact" of the plane.

All seen within a chaotic, violent event which Probst said had him diving for his life, and the alleged 0.4 seconds (ASCE) that it took the plane to traverse the Pentagon lawn. I assume Probst was facing away from the blast when it occurred? He didn't cover his head?
The vortex or at least tremendous turbulence and noise didn't disorientate or even budge him?

No he immediately turned to face the blast while diving, not blinking while taking in all of this detail.

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He began walking to the Modular Office Compound, which is located beyond the extreme north end of the Pentagon North Parking Lot, for a meeting at 10 A.M. As he approached the heliport he noticed a plane flying low over the Annex and heading right for him.


The important section of this quote is "as he approached the heliport he noticed..."
There is a pathway across the lawn which runs parallel to Route 27.
This narrows his POV down to this pathway facing the general area of the heliport.
He would have had, give or take 20/30 metres the same line of view as Sean Boger who was in the heliport at the time.

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he noticed a plane flying low over the Annex and heading right for him


Note, not to the side of the annex, or coming at an angle from the I-395 direction.

He says that the plane flew right by him.

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Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine.

"A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm


Where does that leave the official flightpath as it enters the lawn area of the Pentagon given that the plane passed him at the point on the lawn path he describes?

At @ 200m to his left.

Back to the ASCE Report

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As the fireball from the crash moved toward him, Probst ran toward the South Parking Lot and recalls falling down twice.
Fine pieces of wing debris floated down about him.


The fireball lasted 5 seconds. So are they saying that in the time he dived, took all this info in and got to his feet the fireball was still in motion?

Fine pieces of "wing debris"? So fine the lawn in front of and to the south of the alleged impact area was clean as a whistle , yet in numerous photos we can see debris (concrete, etc) from the blast starting around the heliport area to the North?

The lawn around the "official flight path" route:

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The heliport area:

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Now enter the frame Don Mason.

This guy is RARELY used by detractors to try and support the official path and "impact". Why?
Because he totally contradicts Probst while backing up his exact claims and a few lightpoles are thrown in for good measure (AND an ariel)
This occurs in the very next paragraph of the same ASCE Report

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Don Mason, 62, is a communications specialist who retired from the United States Air Force after 25 years of service. He has worked for the Pentagon Renovation Program Office on information management and telecommunications since 1996. At the time of the crash he was stopped in traffic west of the building.
The plane approached low, flying directly over him and possibly clipping the antenna of the vehicle immediately behind him, and struck three light poles between him and the building. He saw his colleague Frank Probst directly in the plane’s path, and he witnessed a small explosion as the portable generator was struck by the right wing.The aircraft struck the building between the heliport
fire station and the generator, its left wing slightly lower than its right wing. As the plane entered the building, he recalled seeing the tail of the plane.
The fireball that erupted upon the plane’s impact rose above the structure. Mason then noticed flames coming from the windows to the left of the point of impact and observed small pieces of the facade falling to the ground. Law enforcement personnel moved Mason’s vehicle and other traffic on, and he did not witness the subsequent partial collapse of the building.


This whole statement is contrived to corraborate Probstīs story while adding a sense of continuance to the touted "Official Flightpath"

None of it is directly quoted.

What is incredible is the total contradiction to Probstīs account as regards positioning:

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The plane approached low, flying directly over him and possibly clipping the antenna of the vehicle immediately behind him, and struck three light poles between him and the building. He saw his colleague Frank Probst directly in the plane’s path...


That is, Mason has been placed directly under the official flightpath. "Possibly" clipping this mysterious antenna, and the 3 lightpoles (again which he is never directly quoted as saying). Contrived.

He places Probst directly in its path

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There exist two possibilities.

This story is so obviously put together it is unreal. Their stories and descriptions are woven around the observed damage.
Probst threw a major spanner in the works putting the plane off SOC and closer to NOC (at no point on the OCT flightpath would the aircraft appear to have come over the Annex from his stated POV) and the ASCE report tried to claw back some official credulity with Masonīs story/help.

or

Mason later learned of the "lightpole damage" and Probst, Mason and the ASCE worked together to add the extra details into the testimony.
It must have happened right? So Probst MUST have been directly in front of him for the plane to have passed so close. How could he be way over at the heliport if the plane was at least 200m to Probstīs left according to the damage?
If Mason actually was there and he DID see Probst he had to be further up the road towards the heliport. There is no way he could have physically identified Probst from so far. The "right engine" remark by Probst puts him specifically on the OCT path if the OCT is to be believed.

There was no way Mason saw Probst where he said he did because Probst himself contradicts this. They both can't be right.

This isn't conjecture. Itīs all there in black and white in the ASCE report.
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onesliceshort
Posted: Oct 12 2009, 10:59 AM


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I wonder if witness Christine Peterson saw Probst.

She certainly corraborates Probstīs placement of the plane as it entered the Pentagon lawn area.

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontkno...tm?20098?200912

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At a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the Pentagon

ĻI WAS AT A COMPLETE STOP ON THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE HELIPAD AT THE PENTAGON; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other routes I had taken that morning. I LOOKED IDLY OUT MY WINDOW TO THE LEFT -- AND SAW A PLANE FLYING so low I said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car” (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing.
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Posted: Oct 12 2009, 01:17 PM


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have a look at this oneslice, includes some links to other (probst) quotes:

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:I1smj...clnk&cd=2&gl=us

(link not working 2012)

link added:
http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm (control f probst)


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onesliceshort
Posted: Oct 12 2009, 01:57 PM


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Cheers mate smile.gif

Just shows that if you dig into these testimonies with an open mind and honest logic no matter what you believe happened that day, there can only be one outcome.
The plane was nowhere near the lightpoles.
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