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 Adam Larson's review of From the Law to the Lord, regarding suspect witness Stephen McGraw
Craig Ranke CIT
Posted: Dec 7 2007, 11:13 AM


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Adam's obsession with our research continues with a clear pattern. He insists on focusing the attention on CIT rather than the evidence while further misrepresenting our claims. What's revealing about his clear agenda from the content of his approach is that he is in a position now where he is forced to accuse all witnesses who fatally contradict the official story as deep cover operatives while furiously defending the high profile dubious accounts who support the official story!

The backwards logic is apparent and the most egregious that I have heard coming from anyone who allegedly doubts the official story.

It's really nothing but a massive confusion campaign primarily to get people to doubt the evidence, motives, and conclusions of CIT but it certainly is a counterintuitive and completely contradictory approach for anyone who proclaims to fight for 9/11 truth.


Here is the article:
The Previously Suspicious Father McGraw

The problem is that he offers NOTHING to refute the suspicious details.

Here they are:

1. Former DoJ attorney who grew up in the area, knew where the 14th street bridge was, yet claims he wasn't aware the massive structure he was next to that has many signs and exits labeled "Pentagon parking" was in fact the Pentagon.

2. Claims he crossed the guardrail with his holy water and stole about "45 seconds" after the explosion yet reporter Mark Faram claims he witnessed this happening when he got to the scene 10 minutes later.

3. He was allegedly on his way (and late) to preside over a funeral at Arlington Cemetery yet he abandoned his commitment to hang out at the Pentagon.
(we know for a fact that funerals continued throughout the day as scheduled. How could McGraw just leave the family hanging like that?)

4. The fact that he claims he did not see any light poles get hit despite allegedly being right in front of them.



Adam offers nothing solid to refute any of these points other than basic dismissal.

I will now go over his deceptive blog piece by piece:

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The CIT Magic
Lately I’ve been giving some thought to the process by which Citizen Investigative Team (CIT) verify alleged witnesses to the Pentagon attack. As CIT core member Craig Ranke explained in a recent phone discussion, previously published eyewitness accounts of a plane impact are all suspect.

“This is not eyewitness testimony, okay […] we need to talk about it for what it is, which are static words printed by the mainstream media. So until you speak with these witnesses direct and get their first-hand confirmation of these details, these words are merely hearsay. They aren’t evidence at all. That’s a fact.” [source – 18:00 mark]

The magic of CIT is of course their tracking down witnesses, preferably previously unpublished ones, and confirming what they really say they saw, removing the MSM distortions. This sounds good enough, and the method has yielded numerous accounts confirming the north-of-the-Citgo flight path that necessitates a fly-over of the Pentagon and all physical evidence somehow faked in an elaborate and well-coordinated effort. They insist they have not yet found a south path witness who actually saw the official flight path matching the damage both before and inside the building. As Lyte Trip, Craig explained to the JREF debunkers “We have searched high and low for a witness to go on record contradicting the citgo witnesses north of the station claim. If you can find one let us know.” [source] This lack of support for the south path, where the light poles were supposedly cut down, has led Craig and CIT to trumpet “the unanimous north side of the citgo station claim.”

But is this really true? While the four main interviews presented in the PentaCon strongly indicate a north path and impact (one of which must be wrong), another interview they did in search of confirmation raised some awkward problems for their north-side flyover-n-fakery claim, prompting an ugly solution.


Yes it most certainly IS true.

We did NOT know about Robert Turcios when we interviewed McGraw so the north or south path was not a focus of our questioning.

But besides the fact that McGraw did NOT see any light poles get hit (supporting a north side path) he also specifically says that he was first aware of the plane when he had a "sense" of something over the top of him.

In a previous account he explained how he did not even HEAR it until it was over the top of him.

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"I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars."



This means he did NOT see the approach and COULD not tell if the plane was north or south of the CITGO.

Both the north and south paths virtually converge at route 27 so like most witnesses.....McGraw's testimony is not definitive either way.


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The good news that CIT will most often mention about this interview is the witness’ admission that he didn’t see the light poles actually get hit by the plane, and they take him on his word here, and use this to support their contention that no one saw this and therefore they were probably simply dragged into place by the road at some earlier time. As his previous ‘suspect’ account had suggested, McGraw’s first awareness of anything amiss was a ‘sense’ of something passing 20-25 feet overhead, continuing to his right and ahead of him. Poles 1, 2, and 3 were down behind him by that time, and apparently he didn’t see poles 4 or 5 downed ahead of him. He spoke of seeing the damaged taxi and light pole on the road by it, and deduced after the fact how the evidence wound up the way it was.

The Problem
So far, this confirmation would seem helpful to the CIT case, but McGraw’s ‘deducing’ the poles were clipped by the plane indicates, as does it coming in ‘over” him (see graphic below), that the poles were knocked down on the flight path he saw. Which would make him a south path witness. I’m not sure if the interviewers asked him to draw a flight path like they got from Chad, Ed, Robert, and William. If so it was not shared in the video or elsewhere I’ve seen.


Here is where Adam's deception kicks into high gear.

He ADMITS that McGraw said he simply had a "sense" of the plane coming over him which means he did not see the approach to be able to determine the flight path but he brushes right over this important fact to insist that McGraw is a south side witness anway.

The following graphic shows you how both flight paths virtually converge on route 27:
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There is no way that anyone can say that McGraw supports a south side approach when he claims he did not see the approach or the light poles get hit!

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McGraw also confirmed the words earlier attributed to him “it came in controlled and straight […] as if for a crash landing.” When asked, he couldn’t recall the generator trailer being hit but, but he said he ‘picked up’ a memory from others of the plane bouncing on the lawn. It didn’t literally do this, but this persistent impression might be a clue that it was that low – which it would not be if ‘pulling up’ to fly over. He confirmed seeing flames billowing from the windows after the plane “disappeared basically into the building,” and when asked to clarify that it entered the building he responded “yes, yes, yes. I definitely watched as it disappeared into the building.”

Besides the un-examined clues he provided that the plane came in over him on the official trajectory, a key problem for McGraw is his expected immunity to the massively effective (to hear CIT talk) witness trickery. Of all the witnesses who report seeing an impact, which is all so far in a position to see, were deceived into seeing this despite the sly flyover through the engineered pyrotechnic blaze they merely took for the crash. But in our phone discussion Craig emphasized that “very few of these reports even […] are specifically saying they saw the jet enter the building. […] Most of them were not in a position to see the impact side of the Pentagon or even the Pentagon at all.” He also frequently cites trees blocking the view of impact for some witnesses, those headed northbound like McGraw but further back. For some northbound witnesses this is true. It’s not true for Father McGraw.



We have never denied that McGraw supports the impact and we did not cover this up.

We have also never directly claimed that McGraw is an operative despite the many suspicious details of his account.

Certainly he could be innocently deducing or embellishing the impact (clearly he was deducing the notion that it hit the ground first from other witness statements since he ADMITTED this and also admitted deducing the light poles this is not a stretch of the imagination.)

Yet that doesn't stop Caustic Logic from dismissing the notion that this highly publicized and famous official story supporting witness who is admittedly influenced by a secret society favored by the Washington elite could be an operative while flat out accusing police officers as well as previously unknown mechanics, and gas station attendants who PROVE THE OFFICIAL STORY FALSE as being deep cover government agents.

Ridiculous.

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“You need to be able to cite their POVs in order to be able to determine what they woud see,” Craig tells me, “if you’re going to cite them as legitimate witnesses who claimed to see the impact.” As the graphic above shows, based on CIT’s own placement of McGraw, he would have had a near perfect view of either scenario. They believe 100%, bet their reputations on it, that this red path happened and McGraw says he saw it fly “over him,” then low enough he thought it bounced on the lawn, and finally a triple affirmation that he witnessed the direct impact along that line. Clearly in CIT land this cannot be. There are no trees to block his view. He’d see much of the pull-up and probably part of the overflight, but as with all CIT-verified witnesses so far, he fails to mention these. Unlike the ‘many’ or ‘most’ Craig wants to focus on, he has no excuses. He has now verified that he watched the low level impact, whiich strongly implies the poles were cut at that time by that craft. The man must be lying.



Now Adam is putting words in our mouths WHILE he misrepresents the facts.

The plane would still be OVER him on the north side apporach!

He DID NOT SEE the light poles get hit therefore he supports a north side approach more than a south side.

This is fact.

But you better believe that high profile highly publicized official story witnesses with dubious details in their accounts will be suspected PARTICULARLY in light of the highly corroborated north side evidence that Adam claims was planted by government agents as disinfo.


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CIT’s decision on how to handle this witness’ testimony is evident right in the intro text too the video published at their site: “This presentation features our interview with former Department of Justice attorney turned Catholic priest Stephen McGraw. We gave him the opportunity to tell his story on camera and to confirm or deny some of the suspicious details in his previously published account.” Indeed, McGraw was for five years a DoJ lawyer, before entering seminary and being ordained, curiously just three months prior to 9/11. His ties to Opus Dei, the mysterious Catholic sect that figures so strongly in The Davinci Code, is not explained. But this and his previous DoJ connection were fused into a suspicion churning spiel by CIT narrator Aldo Marquis about Louis Freeh and Robert Hanssen, both Opus Dei and FBI and thus DoJ as well. Whatever connection that may have, the suspicious just-ordained Father was (allegedly) on his way to administer rites at a funeral at Arlington when a suspicious ‘wrong turn’ brought him in front of the Pentagon.


The Opus Dei connection IS suspicious and most certainly is worth noting.

The connection to Hanssen is clear.

Hanssen was a traitor, a spy.

A double agent who sold secrets to the Russians for decades.

He was a DEVOUT opus dei member and went to 6:30am mass in Latin every morning but led a double life involving extra marital affairs with strippers and other sexually deviant acts such as secretly video taping sex with his wife while his friend watched from a monitor in the basement.

Watch the history channel special on him where all of this is outlined and where they ALSO refer to Opus Dei as being favored by the Washington elite.

Espionage, perversion, government ties, and the well known dubious details surrounding this secret society are certainly relevant points when considering McGraw's high profile involvement with 9/11.

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Aldo incredulously notes how odd it is that McGraw didn’t even realize it was the Pentagon he was in front of, and expressed doubts about whether he was really there at the time of impact or tucked in later. McGraw verified that he got out of his car about ‘45 seconds later,’ but Mark Faram says the priest was crossing traffic to the Pentagon ‘ten minutes later.’ Look at where he was (see graphic above) compared to the lawn he was photographed at (along the edge of the road at about the top edge of the picture). Considering the traffic jam, walking/climbing time, and fuzzy rounding on either’s part, and we got how much of a problem?


45 seconds is FAR from 10 minutes and obviously the "traffic jam" would not be an issue with him walking to the scene right next to him.

The notion that it could possibly take 10 minutes to cross the guardrail a couple of dozen feet away is absurd.

The fact that his original account set up this former DoJ attorney of 5 years (who grew up in the area!) as the naive priest who had no clue he was next to the Pentagon is notable.

Adam offers nothing to refute this and simply uses an argument from incredulity to further cast doubt on CIT personally.

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All of this, once presented ‘in context,’ makes for some room for suspicion to flourish and clog the reliability conduit of this particular witness. The issue is not whether or not McGraw, or Opus Dei, is suspicious but rather why do they try so hard with this witness while giving the others a free pass on the background check? I think the reason is plain to see. Perhaps these odd X-factors were known as they sought out a few token south path witnesses who could be found just as suspicious after their carefully-screened ‘verification.’


NOBODY gets a "pass".

McGraw is "concentrated on" simply because he gave us an interview.

It's Adam Larson who is concentrating on CIT here while twisting the facts.

McGraw does NOT support a south side approach because he admits he didn't see it.

McGraw supports a north side approach more because he admits he didn't see the light poles clipped.

These are the facts.

This entire blog is nothing but a way for Larson to spread more speculative lies about our motives and methods in obtaining evidence while furiously defending the official story.

His attempts to speculate further about the "devil" metaphor even after promising a retraction further reveals his agenda.
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Craig Ranke CIT
Posted: Dec 9 2007, 10:39 AM


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CL is starting to spiral out of control on his blog and at LC forum while ignoring me here. It's getting more difficult for him to "maintain vigilance and calm" as his campaign against CIT escalates.

He has added this to his blog about McGraw:

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Update: Craig accuses me of obsession, deception, and distortion of their claims in a personal attack, and he still denies that Father McGraw is a south path witness, while I maintain he is and they know it, which is possibly the main reason for their doubt-casting op of a video.



He claims he did not see the approach so he can not be a south or a north side witness. You have to actually see something to be considered a witness for it.

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In the comments below he (Craig) explained: "He says he did not see the approach. This is fact. He says he did not know the plane existed until it was over his head. This is fact. This means he SAYS that he is NOT a witness to what side of the gas station it flew. This is fact. His account is not a definitive north or south side account either way because of these FACTS."
How about considering these facts as well?
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That is a convoluted graphic that does not make McGraw a witness to something he claims he did not see. It is merely YOU deducing things from his claims. He is not a north or a south side witness but other facts as outlined in the OP sure make him a suspect witness.

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I agree that he didn't see the approach, or the Citgo, from his account, or the lightpoles falling. However all clues indicate something very like this red path - precisely the 'official,' 'mehanical damage' path.


Clues? You mean your fantasy? He does not describe the flight path or angle because he did not see it. You can not make him a witness to something he did not see. That is not scientific. It is wishful thinking.


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Compared to the north flyover path in yellow. How on earth is this inconclusive? All descriptors fit the red path much better than the yellow. And anyone care to trace that back and see where you wind up relative to the Citgo?


He gives no "descriptors" because he claims he did not see it.

You can not simply make up a flight path for a witness when he claims he did not see it.

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I used his light pole quote not because he saw it happen, but because his "just before it got to us" descriptor is a further clue of his perceived path - from behind and left to ahead and right. All his gestures indicate this. Plus he saw it impact, clearly, side on and very close. No clues of north path or flyover whatsoever and it's clearly Craig who is desparately twisting in the trap he set up for himself. “We have searched high and low for a witness to go on record contradicting the citgo witnesses north of the station claim. If you can find one let us know.” I'm trying, dude, but you already know and have cast this netaphorical demon back to the firey lake of suspicion. No turning back now. He's contradicting you and supporting the 'official lie.' This is FACT. The 2nd known accomplice? Don't be wishy-washy now.



Your blog rhetoric is getting increasingly frustrated.

A south side witness would be one who specifically SAYS that he saw the plane fly on the south of the CITGO.

Same with a north side witness. They have to see it to be a witness to it.

We have never claimed that McGraw is a north side witness because he didn't see it but you also can not accurately claim he is a south side witness because he didn't see it. How do you not understand this?

He had a much better view of poles 3, 4, and 5 right in front of him then he did the impact yet he didn't even see them get hit.

Certainly we suspect McGraw as being involved due to many fishy details outlined in the OP and on the short. We have been quite clear about this.

However because of his propensity for deduction as he has claimed in the interview we believe there is also a possibility he is innocently embellishing or deducing the impact just like he did the light poles and the plane hitting the ground first.

What's so HILARIOUS about you goading us to call him an operative is how quick you have been to call all the citgo witnesses, Edward Paik, Levi Stephens, and Sean Boger deep cover government agents sent on a mission to spread disinfo!
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The notion that only the obscure and previously unknown witnesses who fatally CONTRADICT the official story are government operatives while all highly publicized impact supporters with dubious details in their accounts are legitimate is borderline comical.

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Posted: Dec 9 2007, 12:51 PM


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Also....

CL is trying to claim that because McGraw "deduced" that light pole 1 hit the cab that this supports the south side flight path.

But McGraw simply claims that he "heard" about the cab and the pole later so this could have been well after the event.

In fact it doesn't make any sense to suggest he saw pole 1 at all.

When admitting he simply deduced the light poles getting hit he says this:


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I didn't actually see the light pole go over or anything.  No I...I believe I later saw the evidence of the pole (singular) having been knocked over....umm....and....I think that was just that after the fact saw the evidence.  Piece of the....piece of the light pole; I think I may have only recalled seeing the top part of the pole so maybe that was the only part that actually got knocked off.



So clearly he wasn't referring to pole 1 by the cab.
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Of course it would make infinitely more sense if he saw a piece of 3, 4, or 5 since they were directly in front of him. And he does not claim to have seen the cab either which would also make sense because the entire cab scene was behind him and across the HOV lane and guardrails.
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He would not be physically able to see pole 1 which was hidden behind the cab that he also never claims he saw.

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But why did he not see any of the large pieces of 3 4 and 5?
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And why would he only refer to one pole when this was his alleged view?
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If all he remembered was a piece of the top of one pole it makes perfect sense that it would be of one of the poles in front of him. Especially since he allegedly walked by that entire area and not by pole 1.

At that point it's close enough to the north path that his "deduction" could go either way.

McGraw is not a definitive north OR south path witness.
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After taking a beating at ATS in my response thread Adam was forced to concede that he was hasty in proclaiming McGraw a "south side" witness.

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I have backed off on the clarity of the south path just from the words and gestures offered.


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I've played up the south path witness aspect too much.



So although the entire premise of his blog is that CIT has deceptively covered up this notion that he no longer supports; instead of a legitimate retraction or correction Adam has chosen to revise his blog to be MORE convoluted and deceptive.

Frankly it's not even worth responding to in full as this is his typical M.O. and it's quite tiresome.

It's really just a bunch of him proclaiming how much he "believes" McGraw is a legitimate witness and that he supports the "south side". The fact that he so easily goes there with a straight face while calling all the north side witnesses government agents without having a clue of the ridiculous irony involved is quite comical.

Adam continues to prove himself a liar with an agenda to cast doubt on us personally and our research.

It's completely transparent as his obsession with us and our research only continues to grow.
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