Your Thoughts on Lloyd England, Preparations for our new release

Hey all,

I just wanted to take a minute to get everyone's thoughts on Lloyd England and his involvement in the Pentagon attack.

We are about to release exclusive footage of CIT's latest encounter with Lloyd England, the cab driver at the center of the north of the Citgo flight path controversy. Again to recap and put it simply, since we now know the plane approached from the north side of the Citgo we now know that the light poles were not struck by the plane and had to be planted and staged. This would directly implicate Lloyd England and potentially the men seen on the highway with him.

Since our last release, The First Known Accomplice?, we have received praise for this effort, but we have also had to endure a campaign that has painted us as evil-doers who attacked a poor old man, accusing him of being a mass murderer involved in Pentagon attack when nothing could be further from the truth. We have reserved ourselves to simply stating that this man was involved in the false flag operation at the Pentagon due to the overwhelming evidence that places the plane on the north side of the Citgo.

It is clear to us that he knows what he did and our opinion is not that he was brainwashed, but the possibility remains that he was coerced or possibly manipulated. However, it is very clear that he is trying to confuse and cover up this incident while he slips in ambiguous references to how 'big' this operation was.

It will be clear to anyone who has been following this saga, and who has the attention span, that this man is not telling the truth.

When you watch this footage he may make you angry. We ask that you please view the entire presentation and think about the fact that the plane has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have flown on the north side of the Citgo. Again, the implications of this are far-reaching and land right at Lloyd's doorstep since he is the primary one who would have explaining to do.

I can assure you this will be the wildest ride yet in relation to our ongoing investigation. I am sure a lot of you may leave with some sort of sadness or anxiety after watching this presentation, because it will be clear to all who and what we are dealing with. In some sense, I have even felt sorry for Lloyd because it is clear to him and anyone watching, that he knows he is caught and is guilty. I am still in shock over what I watched and heard in these interviews.

I am looking for constructive discussion/feedback on how you feel about Lloyd and what type of light you think he should be portrayed in. I am also looking for solutions/suggestions on how we can get this man or his interviews and our evidence in front of gov't investigators. To be honest, at this point you would have all you need to march into your local representative's office and demand action.

Your participation is appreciated.

THANK YOU!!

Count me in!

Lloyd was a very key player in the official story. While the other liars simply said they saw "it", Lloyd had some explaining to do. He almost pulled it off until your interview from The First Accomplice? cast doubt on this hoax.

Treat Lloyd as the suspect that he is. He claimed his cab was speared, it wasn't. He said he removed the pole, he didn't.

Where is his "friend" with the half ripped dollar? I'd love to hear his story. And the blond guy with the red tie.

Lloyd is all the witness you need at this point. The official story is toast.

We have his name off the dollar but haven't been able to find him.

With this attempt albeit feeble, I will try to cast Loyd as an innocent person.

1. He is traveling south bound as per your correction of his own story.

2. He sees the plane low, but instead of where his cab comes to rest, he actually sees the plane on the NOC flight path prior to his last known position.

3. The plane he sees is the attack jet North of the Citgo and near some other light poles, the explosion occurs and he doesn't bring his cab to a complete stop until after the overpass.

4. Seconds after the initial explosion a secondary explosion takes place and the light poles fall, dutifully removed from their base via the explosion due to pre-weakening of the base and creating evidence for the official flight path.

5. In Loyd's mind everything happens so fast that he connects the overflight of his cab at the NOC position while being struck by the light poles on the official trajectory. In reality the two incidents are removed but in his 'state of shock' mind they are connected.

6. The part that hits his window looks like it might fit just the lamp's light housing. He embellishes the removal of that part with the entire pole or the bend in the pole after the lamp housing hits the seat keeps the pole elevated above the hood of the car. I'm not exactly sure if the angle of the pole would do that or not but hey this entire exercise is speculation on my part.

7. The silent man in the van helps Loyd remove the lamp, or the piece, or the length of the pole and might have helped get the pole off of Loyd. Loyd might need the insurance checks from the on going health issues to help make ends meet hence the embellishment of the story to support the injury claim. Or maybe Silent Van Man isn't so silent and tells Loyd that the plane almost hit your cab after hitting those light poles, reinforcing number 5 above. Not only that, tells Loyd he was hit by a pole and not knocked over by a secondary explosion.

8. Silent Van Man-It is highly unlikely that in an event such as this a man would stop to help an individual without speaking a word or asking if the person was ok. I wonder if it is a white van similar to the ones in New York City or more of a suburban type. Perhaps Loyd needs him to be silent because as Loyd may have offered information to the individual and later realized the implications of what had happened to him...the Plane flew NOC and the light poles were a part of the operation. He may not have book smarts but he is streetwise.

9. Loyd's description of the Pentagon sounds like he viewed the pictures off the internet and interjected the description into his account with the interview. And like us all is still perplexed at how a plane could have caused that damage and left so little debris, well most of us aren't perplexed anymore but I digress. I discuss the Pentagon in much the same way with cohorts and coworkers.

10. Technically speaking, Loyd's cab is located off of the over pass on 'solid ground' albeit it is the beginning of the over pass ramp dirt mound according to the picture.


11. Loyd is just too cute to be in on it. I mean that is like sayin' Sanford from Sanford and Son is a serial killer. Yeah I know style over substance but I figure I'd give it a shot.

Thoughts?
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Now I'm really interested in seeing the latest from slick Loyd.

It's a stretch isn't it?!

Thanks for going there for the sake of discussion.

It's important.

Obviously your complex speculation requires a lot of complex "embellishment" on Lloyd's part.

Remember that this is the story he claims he told to the FBI the very next day.

If nothing else (and there is a lot more where she is concerned) his wife backs him up as this being his story since day one.


The damage to the poles themselves is irreconcilable with downing by vortex or explosives at the base due to the "clip" at the top.










And umm....let me just tell you on my word for now.....the inside of the cab is COMPLETELY irreconcilable with any small piece of the pole.

I promise you that.

How does that dash and upholstery look?

Lloyd's assertion that the base speared the windshield still baffles me. I've always expected him to renege on that. Surely, he must have meant the tip or small piece.

O.K. the large base made a clean shot, and didn't even touch the Icke book.

Was every pole moved from it's original landing spot? They all seem to be stacked in tidy piles.

While the dash is quite mangled the upholstery, including the back seat, is barely touched.

But the front passenger seat is knocked off the hinge.

This is the most irreconcilable part in regards to the hypothetical consideration of it being a small piece of the pole.

I imagine the FBI on the scene had some specific things people should say and things to never say.

I think something hit Lloyd's windshield. (I still believe in the possible 2nd flying object that clipped a light pole or VDOT pole, which a piece of this object is what hit Lloyd's cab and a piece ended up in Penny Elgas's car.)
But this object was classified, and Lloyd was told to say the light pole hit. Maybe bribed in someways and threatened in someways.

Like I think Sucherman was told to say it was an AA plane that he saw. When asked how he knew the first time, Sucherman doesn't mention the silver body, or the AA logo on the tail, or the colored stripes...but says he saw markings on the side that spoke to him of American Airlines.
He is so sure it is an AA plane, but couldn't give one detail on why.

So maybe a part of a missile hit the cab, whatever it was, Lloyd believed in or feared the FBI enough to go along with saying it was the light pole that hit.

Lloyd is driving at 40 mph. Can he look up, see the plane south of Citgo, and be hit by the light pole, and stop where he stops? Is that possible?
And is it possible for the pole to lift up and spear his cab without landing on the hood? I wish Mythbusters would try to recreate this. The plane flying this low, that fast, hitting light poles and flying 20 ft over cars.

Anyway. I think there are specific things he was told to lie about, things he is never allowed to say, for reasons of national security, but seems free to discuss anything else. But it would seem some of these "gag ordered" witnesses would WANT to be telling the truth, once they've figured out what that truth could mean.

No none of that is possible.

Look at the damage to the poles and you will understand how there is no way this was caused by a missile or explosives.

They were too far apart and could not all have been "clipped" at the top by a missile.

No small plane is large enough either.

Not enough wing span.

A real time scenario would have to fit the physical evidence of the poles and the cab.

Obviously the cab damage is irreconcilable with the pole as well.

This will be even more apparent with this new release.

I promise.

I don't think a missile knocked down any light poles. Or a small plane.
But is it possible one pole was clipped?
There seems to be some noise that people think was a pole being hit...some think a missile was fired from under a hill, would that make a noise like a pole being clipped?
Some people think a plane dropped debris on the lawn, maybe the noise was something like that.
Maybe something hit Lloyd's cab, and he isn't allowed to say what. That is my ultimate point.
How do people who believe the official story explain the cab? And shouldn't the FBI be moving the cab and pole out of the way instead of standing around it then leaving it there?

I think once in a debate on youtube someone thought Lloyd might've stopped in front of the light pole, then smashed his windshield and lied to the FBI to collect money. What are the odds of that?

What does Loyds wife do for the FBI?

Oh and btw, I agree it was a stretch. I don't think anyone can reconcile the physical damage of the poles or parts with the damage to his cab's window and story unless it was only a small piece.

Craig what do you think caused the damage? Any part of the pole at all?

Do we have any close ups of the light pole that allegedly hit Loyd's car including the base other than the one with it sitting in front of his cab.

Perhaps when he was moving the pole it wasn't on his cab at all, but in front of it. SVM(Silent Van Man) helps him move it hence the scratch in the road and Loyd slips or something and the pole ends up on top of him after trying to move it.

SVM might be FBI or some other alphabet soup individual used to 'spread' the official story to eyewitnesses who might question what they witnessed. Sort of like the Feds at the Shanksville sight. Loyd has to have the man remain silent an unknown due to his wife's employment at the FBI.

When is the new Loyd presentation going to be up?

The inside of the cab is far too damaged for him to have been able to pull it off.

Plus you'd think if your wife worked for the FBI (ladyfriend at the time, they didn't marry until after 9/11) that lying to them regarding such a serious event would take a lot of balls and a lot of thinking on your feet.

Particularly during such a drastic and significant event.

Plus there would be no guaranteed payout, particularly since he wasn't injured.

In fact if you believe Lloyd there was no payout besides getting a replacement cab paid for by the Survivor's Fund Project.