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 Flight 93 landed at 10:28AM EST
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Posted: Sep 30 2008, 08:41 PM


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according to this :

http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3314169481.html

This file provided to Brian Stark via FOIA 2008-3195. It is an Excel sheet recording the DCA departures/arrivals for 9/11/2001
http://aal77.com/faa/FOIA%202008-3195%20(Stark).xls

DCA is Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.
http://www.airportcodes.us/us-airports.htm
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skeptic
Posted: Sep 30 2008, 11:28 PM


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Thanks Domenick, I was following this one on p4t.
Truly bizarre.
Add to this Todd Beamer's cell phone calls that were coming out until 20:58 that day,
and everything makes perfect sense…that and red bandanas of course.
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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Posted: Oct 1 2008, 01:29 PM


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yeah not crashing and dying would explain how todd was able to continue making calls to new jersey to try and tip someone off that he wasn't dead yet.......

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Posted: Oct 3 2008, 10:59 AM


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Dom, could you elaborate about Beamer
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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Posted: Oct 3 2008, 06:25 PM


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QUOTE (roundhead @ Oct 3 2008, 06:59 PM)
Dom, could you elaborate about Beamer

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-29-F...one-records.pdf

todd beamer's cell on 9/11 tried calling a residence in new jersey until 20:58 each call lasting about a minute in length.
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Posted: Oct 3 2008, 09:18 PM


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Very interesting. Is there any way I can verify the authenticity of the FBI Todd Beamer document and the excel file provided to Brian Stark?
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parlouroftruth
Posted: Oct 6 2008, 01:34 AM


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Hi Dom - Jus been looking at the document provided by Brian stark containing arrivals n departures on 9/11. Very interested indeed ! - Especially as the phonecalls from Tod Beamer seem to check out with it. I do however have one piece of confusion that I'm hoping you can help me with. According to my notes, 'national groundstop' was put into operation at 9.26am on 9/11 if I'm not mistaken. Therefore how can there still be many arrivals at Reagan as shown on the document provided by Stark after 9.26am and right through to 10.30am including Flight 93? I'm just concerned as to the validation of the document. Shed any light Dom??
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Posted: Oct 6 2008, 11:09 AM


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QUOTE ("streetcar304")
Actually, your interpretation of the data is wrong.

That spreadsheet came from fligh PLAN data, not actual landing data. That information came from the FOIA request.


So, is this landing data of flight plan data? huh.gif
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Posted: Oct 6 2008, 01:20 PM


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How can it be a flight plan if UAL93 was destined to land in San Francisco international airport?
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Posted: Oct 6 2008, 01:34 PM


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I'm quoting him again, same post
QUOTE ("streetcar304")
Re-read up on what the ATC system controllers did regarding UA 93's in-flight plan and how they changed it to DCA from its original destination of SFO, resulting in the data on the spreadsheet showing DCA as its destination with a projected landing time.'
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9:30 a.m. September 11, 2001: Flight 93 Requests a New Flight Plan

Shortly before Flight 93 reverses direction and heads east, someone in its cockpit radios in and asks the FAA for a new flight plan, with a final destination of Washington, DC. eff Krawczyk, the chief operating officer of a company that tracks aircraft movements, later comments, “We hardly ever get a flight plan change. Very unusual.” Who it is that makes this request is unclear. The hijacker takeover of Flight 93 occurred around 9:28 a.m., so it is presumably made by one of the hijackers. Twenty-five minutes later the pilot hijacker will also program a new destination into the plane’s navigational system (see 9:55 a.m. September 11, 2001).


Why the hell would a hijacker request a new flight plan?
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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Posted: Oct 6 2008, 05:01 PM


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QUOTE (Ligon @ Oct 4 2008, 05:18 AM)
Very interesting. Is there any way I can verify the authenticity of the FBI Todd Beamer document and the excel file provided to Brian Stark?

i dont believe there are other sources for these documentations so the best thing to be for confirmation would be requesting copies from the sources for your own records.

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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Posted: Oct 6 2008, 05:03 PM


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QUOTE (parlouroftruth @ Oct 6 2008, 09:34 AM)
Hi Dom - Jus been looking at the document provided by Brian stark containing arrivals n departures on 9/11. Very interested indeed ! - Especially as the phonecalls from Tod Beamer seem to check out with it. I do however have one piece of confusion that I'm hoping you can help me with. According to my notes, 'national groundstop' was put into operation at 9.26am on 9/11 if I'm not mistaken. Therefore how can there still be many arrivals at Reagan as shown on the document provided by Stark after 9.26am and right through to 10.30am including Flight 93? I'm just concerned as to the validation of the document. Shed any light Dom??

i'm going to say the reason there are so many arrivals after the national groundstop is because those planes were already airborne when it was issued. dca may have been the destination for some while others were diverted here most likely.
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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Posted: Oct 6 2008, 05:07 PM


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QUOTE (TrueOrFalse @ Oct 6 2008, 07:09 PM)
From Loose Change forums

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums...143314&t=700788

QUOTE ("streetcar304")
Actually, your interpretation of the data is wrong.

That spreadsheet came from fligh PLAN data, not actual landing data. That information came from the FOIA request.


So, is this landing data of flight plan data? huh.gif

i don't believe it to be.

i'm trying to get a better understanding of it now as both sides are making argument over this point. i can't see how even if flight 93 changed its flight path that would put it in the arrivals for the dca. i still think it would have to actually land there before it gets logged. i don't think those who document all these intricate details day to day come to work and log everything in before lunch. know what i'm sayin? lol
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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Posted: Oct 6 2008, 05:14 PM


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QUOTE (TrueOrFalse @ Oct 6 2008, 09:34 PM)
I'm quoting him again, same post
QUOTE ("streetcar304")
Re-read up on what the ATC system controllers did regarding UA 93's in-flight plan and how they changed it to DCA from its original destination of SFO, resulting in the data on the spreadsheet showing DCA as its destination with a projected landing time.'
QUOTE
9:30 a.m. September 11, 2001: Flight 93 Requests a New Flight Plan

Shortly before Flight 93 reverses direction and heads east, someone in its cockpit radios in and asks the FAA for a new flight plan, with a final destination of Washington, DC. eff Krawczyk, the chief operating officer of a company that tracks aircraft movements, later comments, “We hardly ever get a flight plan change. Very unusual.” Who it is that makes this request is unclear. The hijacker takeover of Flight 93 occurred around 9:28 a.m., so it is presumably made by one of the hijackers. Twenty-five minutes later the pilot hijacker will also program a new destination into the plane’s navigational system (see 9:55 a.m. September 11, 2001).


Why the hell would a hijacker request a new flight plan?

QUOTE (skeptic)
How can it be a flight plan if UAL93 was destined to land in San Francisco international airport?


there seems to be a lot wrong with this.....

so while planes are being hijacked by arabs who have some "planes" as they announced to the world, an arab makes a highly unusual or uncommon or both for that matter, request for a flight path change to the nation's capitol and be granted........

this has to send like a hundred red flags up to those who receive that request especially with all the other surrounding circumstances.........

so now the questions become if there any audio log of this?
who sent the requst?
who was the recipient?
what was the standard operating methods in place and were they followed?
if so who approved it?
if not why?

ughhhhhhhhh.

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Posted: Oct 7 2008, 12:32 AM


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QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Oct 7 2008, 04:14 AM)
ughhhhhhhhh.

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Exactly ! angry.gif
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