The light poles were staged in advance., and not downed by a plane or vortex.

The downed light poles at the Pentagon are arguably the most convincing evidence that a 757 caused the physical damage that day.

But now that we know the plane was on the north side of the CITGO station it is clear that they got there somehow else.

This is compounded by the fact that it is physically impossible for Lloyd England's story to be true.

This may seem like a complex task but it would actually be quite simple for the suspect in question to accomplish.

First realize that the area is the literal backyard of the suspect and one of the most highly secured areas in the nation.

It's right by the heliport where the President travels from quite often and in fact he had left from there the day before and was scheduled to return there that afternoon!


Heliport firefighter Allan Wallace:

This means that they had all the excuse they needed to "secure" the area in preparation for his arrival and this would even be quite routine and expected for the people in the area since the President travels from there regularly.


The poles could have been removed in the middle of the night on any night prior to the event in what could have been made to look like regular late night road work.

Then the pre-fabricated damaged poles could be put in place perhaps at 4:00am on 9/11 or even later in the day while they were "securing" the area for the President's scheduled arrival.

4 of the 5 poles were hidden off to the side on the grass.


I'll address pole 1 in a bit.

There isn't a reason that any of them would cause a reason for alarm or notice by any of the morning rush hour traffic even if they could be seen.

Pole 2 was completely hidden and poles 4 and 5 were down on slopes.

They were all on Pentagon property/jurisdiction/control which could have been on serious lock down due to the President's scheduled arrival.



But the bottom line is that EVEN IF someone did happen to see a pole on the ground and remember and EVEN IF they put 2 and 2 together after the fact and called the FBI obviously nothing would have happened.

But they most likely would NOT put 2 and 2 together because the light poles were an insignificant tiny blip on the most historically tragic day in U.S. history.

The average public has absolutely no clue about the light poles at all and even many in the movement aren't aware of them.

The poles have not been covered in a single official report either.

This seemingly impossible scenario to stage would have been child's play to do in their own backyard for the same perpetrators who pulled off a covert triple controlled demolition in downtown Manhattan.

Light pole one was likely staged after the fact and a detailed photographic look into this scene is available here.


But as a summary the possibly pre-damaged cab could have been towed or driven to it's spot where they partially blocked traffic and placed it. Minutes later feds rolled up and surrounded the area and completely blocked traffic.

These images show you how much control they had of the scene after blocking traffic and surrounding the area as well as how the cars on the other side of the highway going northbound wouldn't see anything because of the HOV lane that was already closed and had two sets of guardrails:






These images were all taken within 17 minutes maximum after the event. Traffic was already completely blocked and the entire scene was controlled.

They could have done anything they wanted and it wouldn't matter because the Pentagon was burning and nobody would care or notice the feds and the cab and the pole even if they could see them. But they couldn't.

Pole 1 could have been pulled from the shoulder, maybe from behind the bush, over the guardrail from the other side, or even unloaded from a truck all in about 30 seconds.

We do know it was moved before all these images were taken due to the scratch on the road:


This individual with the red tie who was likely driving the Jeep Cherokee was a central figure in this scene whose access and seeming authority imply he is likely a federal agent:





The notion that the poles were blown with explosives or knocked down by the vortex of a second plane or a missile is simply not possible primarily due to the physical damage of the poles revealing that they were somehow pinched at the top:




This could not have happened from explosives or the vortex of anything.

But it could have been easily pre-fabricated in advance:



Compare the damage to this same style "break-away" base of a pole from the same area that was blown over by wind to pole #4's base:


The 9/11 base is perfectly symmetrical and sooty as if it were removed with a torch while the wind blown base is more random like you would expect if it were broken by a sudden force like wind or a 90 ton jet.

You've sold me on this one. However...

Who says this man is a federal agent?

Honestly I don't know that for sure.

But this guy has clear access and authority over this critical scene that the evidence proves had to have been staged.

He is implicated as working for the feds simply by being there.

But I'll admit I can not prove he is a federal agent mainly because we don't know who he is.

Also, even if there was proof he was a federal agent it wouldn't prove he was involved.

But he most certainly is a suspect due to his clearly significant role in this proven fabricated scene.

But thanks for pointing that out......I changed the wording to be more accurate:

"This individual with the red tie who was likely driving the Jeep Cherokee was a central figure in this scene whose access and seeming authority imply he is likely a federal agent"

Plus I didn't mean to say "white" Jeep Cherokee.

The Saturn is white but we think we have identified him as the one who was driving the Cherokee.

Great work on this website. You guys make it clear and logical (and to this viewer pretty well incontrovertible) as to how this facet of 911 was staged. I'd love to see some good testimony from people who would have seen those posts lying on the ground prior to the explosion. I would also have to think that there exists somewhere, some video evidence of the AA aircraft flying by that day, that is not in the hands of the cockroaches. That would blow the lid off the whole thing, obviously they realized that and ergo the seizure of all known tapes, but there has to be something they missed.

Hi,

Here's what happens to aircraft in low-speed impacts with solid objects: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Southwest-A...-3T5/0071452/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iberia/Airb...-642/1291038/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lloyd-Aereo...6-ER/0916804/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Excel-Airwa...4-ER/0762715/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Southwest-A...-3T5/0075096/L/

There are many other examples.

For an aircraft to hit 5 lightpoles at 500 MPH and not leave any major components or debris behind is impossible, IMHO.

Best regards,
MoD.

I agree totally - there would be debris all over the place from the impact. I think the sheer physics behind that weight and speed hitting light poles would cause major damage to the aircraft. Also, light posts are designed to shear with impact at road level, not 30 or 40 feet up - if in fact the aircraft was actually that low to the ground at that point. Either way,the official explanation for the flight path is ludicrous.

Honestly I don't know that for sure.

But this guy has clear access and authority over this critical scene that the evidence proves had to have been staged.

He is implicated as working for the feds simply by being there.

But I'll admit I can not prove he is a federal agent mainly because we don't know who he is.

Also, even if there was proof he was a federal agent it wouldn't prove he was involved.

But he most certainly is a suspect due to his clearly significant role in this proven fabricated scene.

But thanks for pointing that out......I changed the wording to be more accurate:

"This individual with the red tie who was likely driving the Jeep Cherokee was a central figure in this scene whose access and seeming authority imply he is likely a federal agent"

Thank you for responding on this.


I must agree that while he does seem rather official in his presence, and the circumstances surrounding him but i dont believe there is anything to say he's federal definitively. Thanks for making that change for now.

i did have one more question in regards to the fly over concept.


In the footage (4 or 5 frames whatever) that the pentagon released, are we seeing a fabrication or do you believe the hack job was done intentionally to avoid clarifying that aspect?

Both.

It was likely meant to show SOMETHING ambiguous entering the Pentagon to satisfy official story believers while simultaneously throwing the official story skeptics off track from the true flight path which is the real smoking gun.

People in the movement give that video way too much credit.

We want people to realize that even if that video wasn't so dubious and questionable on so many levels that in the context of this investigation it is automatically invalid evidence because it was completely controlled and provided for by the suspect.

"People in the movement give that video way too much credit."


I agree with that, that video is virtually useless, other than to show something streaking along at virtual ground height (which incedentally would have had to be the case for at least a mile or more at the velocity it was reportedly travelling). The amount of inertia possesed by a moving object is proportional to it's velocity - but then again, elementary physics is apparently not a skeptics long suit, anyone who thinks that a 757 leveled off at 500 mph - 2 or 300 ft shy of it's target, while being flown by a camel jockey with no pilot's licence, is either on crack or has a serious mental disorder.

Here is an account I found a few years ago and compltely forgot about...

Now maybe this guy was unfamiliar with the flightpath...hence was looking in the wrong place....still.....might be worth sending an email to him to clarify where he was...

I want to see those photos! Does FOIA apply here? Is there any legal weight that can be used to get them, considering what they could mean if they really did exist????

Best regards,
MoD.

I want to see those photos! Does FOIA apply here? Is there any legal weight that can be used to get them, considering what they could mean if they really did exist????

Best regards,
MoD.

Craig, has CIT gotten any closer to finding out anything more about the lightpoles? If these pictures exist, that would be something to identify (plus you guys getting to know the area like the back of your hand, looking at the pictures 'if existent', you should be able to locate the lightpoles)

I really like all the presentations, but this will do it for me. This is something I'm actually waiting for, finding the irrefutable truth of the lightpoles.

I'll stay tuned. I see it like a puzzle, we have the projected flight path from the witnesses, we have your theory of the flyover, we have the alledged fabrication of the frames from the security camera, but we do not have that one small area (missing puzzle piece) of the lightpoles.

If it would be good for a video short on just the lightpoles, then that will be good for me to watch and get everything back together in my mind (its been awhile since I looked at the Lightpoles). I don't know, maybe I just would like some witnesses (other than those posted in your videos) to contribute to the lightpoles. I understand you have alot of time on the other information, thats fine, just giving you feedback on what I am wondering the most on (but I'm just one person )

Have fun and keep everyone informed!

-BigMoser

Where's your evidence for these claims?

What you have is nothing but speculation.

You cannot come up with a theory and create events to support your theory.

Where is the evidence of this? The C-130 could have also flown low and kicked out the light poles as it passed over. There is just as much "evidence" of that happening as what you propose.

Again, where is the evidence?

The C130??? What are you talking about. They interviewed the C130 pilot.
These guys are the only ones in the truth movement who have made a real investigative effort to uncover what exactly unfolded at the Pentagon. They actually did the leg work of going to the scene and interviewing area residents-it seems to me like most everyone else is just "speculating".
Clearly, the gov's official story line is ridiculous. The "theory" that these guys have really is plausible and answers problems that others don't. They have laid it all out on previous discussion threads and in their documentary videos-have you watched those?
Sweetpea-fyi, when you come onto a discussion board that is operating on a given premise and you don't agree, the burden of proof is on you to prove false what has already been voluminously presented.