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Derek Spector on the multiple evacuations, One of first Fire Dept. ppl to arrive

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Posted: Apr 29 2010, 10:17 AM

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As most people here know, there is a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) page on this website (CitizenInvestigationTeam.com) with a response to the question "Weren't there photographs of plane parts taken inside and outside of the Pentagon on 9/11 and shortly thereafter? If so, don't these photographs prove that Flight 77 hit the building?"

It can be read here.

One thing that is discussed on there is the fact that the planting of the suspiciously small amount of semi-recognizable plane parts would have been facilitated by the fact that there was "there was a panicked evacuation for fear of another plane coming it."

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I was recently watching the full September 13, 2001 joint press conference with the Arlington County Fire and Police Departments, and wanted to highlight a statement made by Derek Spector which pertains to this.

Spector is introduced by Arlington County Fire Chief Ed Plaugher as "Emergency Medical Technician Derek Spector" who was "one of the first arriving company officers."

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ED PLAUGHER (ARLINGTON COUNTY FIRE CHIEF): Ok, at this time I'd like to introduce firefighter, uh, Emergency Medical Technician Derek Spector who was one of the first-- also one of the first arriving company officers

Spector himself says that he was "assigned [as] the acting officer on Truck 105", and was "at the station at the time of the plane crash". He says that he and two others "heard the impact, and as we were leaving the station we heard Captain McCoy on Engine 101 who said it was possibly around the 14th Street Bridge". (I note this just to put his arrival in a time frame.)

During the Q&A Spector states that there were MULTIPLE evacuations that took place in the aftermath of the alleged plane crash during the rescue operation.

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REPORTER: Derek, we know you guys are trained to do two things: put out fires and save lives.� How frustrating was it for you as an individual to have this fire continue to burn?

DEREK SPECTOR: I think it wasn't so much the frustration of it continuing to burn.� The frustration that we had was that we had to keep evacuating the structure because we had more reports of more planes and-- and possible, uh-- somebody trying to continue to do, uh, more damage to the Pentagon, and that kept-- kept withdrawing us from the scene and we-- that was probably the most frustrating thing about the whole thing.

This question and Spector's answer can be seen around 20:08 in the following video (3:10pm)

It's also here, but the video is choppy (should jump to the right spot):

Other notes:

-Spector is also discussed in this thread. Edit: I see that I didn't properly copy the hyperlink, and now the search feature isn't working. I'll update this link later.

- The fact that, according to Spector, McCoy reported that the crash was possibly around the 14th St Bridge further underscores the fact that McCoy could NOT see the alleged impact (which we already knew).

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Posted: May 11 2010, 05:58 PM

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Here is a corroborating quote about the evacuation(s) from Lt. Robert Medairos taken from the same 9-13-2001 press conference. Medairos is introduced by Arlington County Police Chief Ed Flynn as "our first incident commander at the scene".

Note that Medairos also says: "...my first thought was I couldn't believe what happened. And, they said that it was a plane, and I didn't see any pieces of any plane and I couldn't believe that a plane hit the building."

This is an important quote coming from the Arlington County Police Department's "first incident commander at the scene."

(Transcript by me)

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ED FLYNN, ARLINGTON COUNTY POLICE CHIEF: Alright, finally I'm going to introduce Lieutenant Robert Medairos.� He was our first incident commander at the scene.

LT. ROBERT MEDAIROS: Good Evening.� My name's Lieutenant Robert Medairos, M-E-D-A-I-R-O-S, with the Arlington County Police Department here in Arlington Virginia.

During this incident, um, I was at the station talking to the security from the USA Today building.� They had some concerns reference what happened in New York.� Also, I was gathering some intelligence from our intel people to see what kind of intelligence that we had reference to this area; if we had any more threats.

Uh, at that time I heard Officer Foust give out the broadcast that he saw a plane that, uh, just crashed. Uh, at that time, we immediately left the station and responded down here to the Pentagon.� Uh, we arrived within minutes after the crash,� over here at south parking lot.� Uh, at that time, I was the Watch Commander for the day, in charge of the County.� I set up our incident command and began a staging area for us, uh, basically, and, uh, we took command of the traffic for outside of the, uh, Pentagon, and we immediately shut everything down with the officers that we had, uh, to control the flow of traffic coming in and going out.� Um, then we had the second threat within ten minutes of the-- the crash, that a second plane was coming in.� Then we had to move the command post and also try to evacuate everybody who was coming out of the Pentagon and also who began to gather on the outskirts.� And, my first thought was I couldn't believe what happened.� And, they said that it was a plane, and I didn't see any pieces of any plane and I couldn't believe that a plane hit the building.

Uh, we then set up our incident command, tried to assist with the evacuation of the building and also set up a perimeter to control the trow of fla-- uh, [flow of] trarffic coming in and out of the, uh, area.� Uh, and then command was taken over by Captain Hackney and then Deputy Chief Hall of the police department.� And we've been here since then.

REPORTER: Can you tell me how many times there was a concern of other planes coming [inaud] you had mentioned it a couple times [inaud].

MEDIAROS: Yeah, they were concerned.� There was reports that there was-- there was at least three more planes that weren't accounted for.� And, then we had a report that a plane was coming down the Potomac and it was within 10 minutes, and we immediately tried to evacuate through our PA systems, especially with the people that were gathering to get them out of the area for their safety.

REPORTER: Have you since learned what the basis of that [inaud] was?

MEDAIROS: I couldn't hear you.� Excuse me?

REPORTER: Have you since learned why they thought the plane coming down the Potomac was [inaud]--

MEDAIROS: No, we just got a report over the radio that there was another plane coming, and that there were also three others that wre outstanding and unaccounted for, um, during this incident.

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Posted: May 23 2010, 04:34 PM

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Eileen Murphy is another first responder who was inside the Pentagon during the attack who talks about the evacuation due to reports of another plane coming in.

Dead original link: http://history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/sold.../responding.pdf
Working archived version: http://web.archive.org/web/20041025103849/.../responding.pdf

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Excerpts from an interview with Ms. Eileen Murphy, who was Head Nurse of the Minor Surgery Clinic at the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic.

[...]

I think about 10 minutes later, that�s when our building was hit. The strobe lights, I remember, were blinking and just constant, �Evacuate, evacuate, evacuate.�� Now right around that time, I know our emergency response team was called out because someone called to the front desk and said there were some injuries in Center Court, but we in the clinic didn�t equate that to anything hitting the building because we felt nothing. Our emergency team went to Center Court.�

The rest of us, as soon as this call came to evacuate, just left because of incessant, �Evacuate, evacuate, evacuate.�� We didn�t know what was happening with the team or what the emergency was.� There was a heavy stream going out the front door over the bridge to North Parking. As soon as we got on the bridge it was unmistakable. The black smoke was just massive and so we knew that something catastrophic had happened.��

We got out there and immediately our nurses started just kind of grouping together and beginning to triage. It was fairly organized. I�m surprised as I think back on it how focused the nurses were because there didn�t seem to be any panic.�

Some of our nurses went to Center Court. I know Captain Glidewell was there, because she was on the emergency response team. The other thing I remember, I felt out of touch because I wasn�t quite sure what was going on.� We have these radios that we carry when we�re on the emergency team; I spotted one just outside and I grabbed it. I thought if nothing else I�d at least hear the traffic from the DPS, and maybe I�ll get a feel for what�s going on.�

My husband, who works above me in the Pentagon, within ten minutes came out of the building. He found me on the grassy area. He said �What are you going to do?� I said �I�m here; we�re committed.� I asked if he was going home. He said �I don�t want to leave you.� I said �Well, I don�t particularly want you to go so why don�t you put on a pair of gloves and follow me around?�

Then a couple of Active Duty O-5s [Lieutenant Colonels] and O-6s [Colonels] came out.� They had minor lacerations and maybe some debris on them from falling ceilings and such.� I think they were a little shocky.� It looked like one had first-degree burns, so I found some saline or sterile water and I gave it to my husband and I said, �Here, rinse them off, lay him down in case he�s in shock and just
stay with him.�� Because then I knew my husband is there, I won�t have to worry about him or the patient; they can keep each other company.�

We were on the upper part of the grassy knoll, by the POAC, when on the radio came, �Move back to the river, another plane is coming.�� Many, many of us went even further across the road and down to that other grassy area that backed up to the Potomac.

She also talks about the lack of plane debris. Doesn't seem like she saw the scene till after 11:30 though, and I think she was in the center court.

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I think we must have triaged about 80 patients out there.� It was a big number and mostly second-degree burns, smoke inhalation, lacerations, some head lacerations, a lot of people in shock.� I�m trying to think if there was anything really serious that I saw other than the second-degree burns on the arms and legs; I don�t think so. I think the majority of the really severely injured were either at the crash site or came through the Center Court badly burned and they were evacuated from there.� But we stayed in North Parking until about 11:30 when the last patient either left by ambulance or POV.

I don�t know if this was a good idea at all, but it was my idea. The people that I would triage, if they were OK, if there was someone close by that was not injured, I would say to them, �Can you stay with this person until the ambulance either comes or we get them out of here someway.� So I thought it was a kind of buddy system.� That made me feel good, because, like I said, I�ve never been in a MASCAL, but that made sense to me.� There were so many people milling around that people were willing to do that.�

Lorie Brown had the radio and she was in constant contact with either Captain Glidewell in Center Court or somebody in DPS.� Major Brown stayed in North Parking until the last patient left.� Then she knew that the fire department was going to try to attempt a rescue through one of the corridors through the Center Court. We knew that they were attempting to go in there, but we thought we might have more patients coming out that way because we knew that no more were coming out at North Parking; that people traffic just stopped. I remember her coordinating with DPS and saying to everybody, �Gather up the equipment. We�re going to go to Center Court.��

The whole area was smoky. We put masks on, little OR [operating room] masks, it was that smoky.� The clinic was stable and apparently some people were in the clinic manning telephones and so on. The clinic was untouched and we were able to get in to get supplies, but the halls and Center Court were very smoky.� Once again we got out there with supplies and tried to regroup.��

I knew it was a crash site before we got there, and I didn�t know what it was going to look like.� I couldn�t imagine because the building is like rock solid.� I expected to see the airplane, so I guess my initial impression was, �Where�s the plane?� How come there�s not a plane?�� I would have thought the building would have stopped it and somehow we would have seen something like part of, or half of the plane, or the lower part, or the back of the plane.� So it was just a real surprise that the plane wasn�t there.

The fire was intense. The damage was impressive, but at the same time, you can�t believe it. You just can�t believe it.� There was no panic at all at any time by anybody in the medical side.� There was some yelling of orders, but it didn�t seem chaotic to me at all. It was just kind of surreal.

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Posted: Jan 11 2011, 12:47 PM

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This is an excerpt from DC: Witness 9/11, which aired on September 11, 2010, 9 years after the attack, on the Nataional Geographic Channel (aka Nat Geo). The yellow subtitles have been added. Other than that no other editing has been done.

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