Reinforcing the ACTUAL C-130 flight path, ...and DC/EoP flight path of attack jet

Lt Col Steve O'brien's account about taking off from Andrews AFB and flying north and west taking them by the south side of the mall is a very important detail. This fits perfectly with the attack plane approaching into downtown DC, near the White House, which for those reading who don't know also proves an inside job as they completely changed the flight path loop to SW of the Pentagon and Reagan instead of over DC (see NTSB Flight 77 flight path study, NTSB alleged black box data, and the 84th RADES radar data.)

To familiarize everybody...

Official NTSB flight path loop SW of the pentagon and the Reagan National Airport:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...flight_path.jpg

DC approach/White House/EoP(east of potomac) flight path:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...0path/093-1.jpg

Contrary to information put out there by an individual trying to support the official story and flight path of both planes, the C-130's flight path is more in line with Morningside One DP(departing procedure):


http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0801/00561MORNINGSIDE.PDF

It says he could "expect radar vectors" on runway 1L/1R after his departure north. It says radar vectors are required within 10 nautical miles from departure.

It makes sense that he received a radar vector to the west after he flew north for 3 to 5 nautical miles.

4 to 5 nautical miles is within 10 nautical miles.

This fits with his description of flying north and west which took them by the south side of the mall. Not the south side of Reagan.

His flight plan was to take him north and west to MN, ending up over PA both of which are north and west either way.

Remember, the RADES data was released right after I started piecing together his account and publishing it publically.

The RADES flight path takes him through the Reagan approach corridor which also doesn't make much sense as noted by Pilot Rob Balsamo.



P56 DOES ALLOW flight paths on the south side of the mall and certainly does not restrict it.



In fact, that would take him right towards the end of the departure flight path for Reagan, where planes fly up river and out of the area, banking sometimes west and certainly north I am sure. He would have continued north and west toward MN.

The RADES flight path takes him southwest.

Let's not forget,

-Steve Chaconas did NOT see a C-130 only THE jet approaching from the east side of the Potomac from the NE as it was coming out of it's turn.

This only fits with the attack plane's DC approach/White House/EoP(east of potomac) flight path and the C-130 DC mall flight path.

-Mineta/Belger place the attack plane DRA near the USA Today building in Rosslyn which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path. This only fits with the attack plane's DC approach/White House/EoP(east of potomac) flight path and the C-130 DC mall flight path.


-Witnesses Joe Hurst, Joseph Candelario, Gen Clyde Vaughn, Stuart Artman saw the attack plane in DC skies which only fits with the attack plane's DC approach/White House/EoP(east of potomac) flight path/C-130 DC Mall flight path.

-Ari Fleischer admits there was another flight path that took the plane towards the white house and not well SW of it as the NTSB/RADES data attempts to depict. This only fits with the attack plane's DC approach/White House/EoP(east of potomac)/C-130 DC Mall flight path.

-ATC Danielle O'Brien was sure the plane "over-shot" or over missed the White House which only fits with the attack plane's DC approach/White House/EoP(east of potomac) /C-130 DC Mall flight path.

-Col Deskins reports the radar for the attack plane terminating over Washington DC which only fits with the attack plane's DC approach/White House/EoP(east of potomac) flight path and the C-130 DC Mall flight path...

-Colin Scoggins (and Kevin Nesapany) place the/an unidentified plane SE & east of the White House/Potomac which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path...

Apparently Colin Scoggins recieved this information based on a VISUAL from FAA HQ in Washington DC!!!

“I was on aTELCON and there were people who were actually looking at their window and saw the plane, they were speaking it verbatim on the phone to the TELCON. So it was a visual encounter, I assume they were in FAA HQ on Independence AVE. I know one persons name who was there and according to a USA article on around 9/20/01 I have an idea who said it on the phone, and he is the same person that I received the Phantom 11 call on.”

“I don't know what office window they were looking from, I've always felt it was FAA HQ […] I am 99 % sure that the statement was made by visual...

Other supporting accounts documenting a DC/East of Potomac flight path...

This "757 flying in a peculiar location roughly over the mall", that "circled downtown DC" can only fit with the C-130 DC Mall flight path in order the allow their interaction to make sense.



If you watch the BBC interview with him, he pulls out the map and says...

And again, the narrator said as "Flight AA77 descended in a wide turn over the Capitol and lined up with it's target there was a military C-130...flying above Washington DC".

Clearly the BBC interviewed him and understood what he had explained to them, because they mention central DC several times.

Note he said "and as he moved to our 11 o' clock position he started his turn..."

He STARTED his turn as he moved to O'Brien's 11 O'Clock position.

As you can see in the NTSB animation, the plane was ALWAYS IN A "TURN" or the bank that ends up being 30-45 degrees of bank at one point.



Furthermore, when they finally discussed the C-130's role Lt. Col Kenneth states that the decoy jet was heading into Washington at an angle (the 30-45 degree bank)...

ETA:

The most important supporting piece of evidence for the DC flight path for the C-130 (and in turn the attack jet) was the witnesses at ANC who describe a north or north west approach of the C-130.

Nice and comprehensive work Aldo...

Found this witness from the FreeRepublic(yaaah!).....but he says the military plane(he does not explicitly call it a c-130) flew off to the south west-west....as opposed to the east(according to Scott Cook)

To: willyone
I will tell you this: That morning after I heard the word "Pentagon" on NBC morning show - I ran up to the roof of my fiancee's 9 story dupont circle apartment building. I saw the smoke rising, of course, and I saw another plane .
This other plane had no markings - it was military and large like a bomber, and it flew VERY low over the pentagon. I honestly thought the Pentagon was being bombed from the air. But that plane flew off in a W-SW direction, steadily ascending.

I have never heard anything about that plane.


75 posted on 03/08/2002 5:13:32 PM PST by Julliardsux
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What do you make of it?

Dupont Circle is even further away from the Pentagon compared to Scott Cook's location.

I doubt even Scott Cook would have been able to see much or anything at all if the C-130 really flew west as shown in the fraudulent RADES data.

The fact that this poster slipped in that "bombed from the air" claim is also suspicious.

You see we think there has been a deliberate effort to make the C-130 seem involved when he was likely nothing but a dupe.

Interesting....with the dupe idea....would make sense....

A possibility i was toying with a few years back was that the C-130 randomly dropped some of the American airlines debris on the pentalawn....to be discovered later by Faram and co....

In the smoke and confusion...maybe not many people noticed.

I ditched the idea seeing as there were no-corroborating witnesses....still in terms of assigning a function to the c-130's presence...it might have potential:

Thanks for your comments Seat.

You have to understand the role of the C-130, at least the way we see it.

He was mainly there so one could say there was a "second" plane veering away from the Pentagon at the time of the explosion. As long as one was ambigous, they could carefully and technically be telling the truth.

They also were able to create another layer of disinfo along side the missile/global hawk. The theory that O'brien was controlling the craft. That is why you had Agent Fetzer out there peddling that nonsense like a kook on the BBC doc. They wanted to give the impression that a plane was shadowing and then veered away, then when the mileage ran out on that or they didn't really need to use it anymore locally in Arlington (or nationally for tourists there at the time) for flyover witnesses because the event was so successfully pulled off, they simply switched to the disinfo for the theorist. That being the C-130 controlled whatever hit the Pentagon.

As for dropping debris.

I first thought of that as a possiblity but he didn't get to the scene for over a minute. So that would be tough.

We believe debris was blown out from the "storage" and "office" trailers that were parked DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF the alleged impact hole, which again we believe was actually blown out from internal explosives.

The shiny debris could have come from there, but it also could have been planted.

Remember, people had to evacuate the lawn more than once due to the threats of an incoming plane.



The shiny silver parts could have been planted then in the chaos.

In fact, if you notice closely the famous part on the lawn appears to have NEVER had rivets in them...EVER...

Craig,

This sounds to be a genuine witness.

He even makes the C-130's arrival seem even later.

Everything we wrote in this thread has been verified by the Arlington National Cemetery employees who witnessed the C-130 approach as seen in The North Side Flyover.



They prove how the C-130 came from the northwest and not the south as shown in the fraudulent 84 RADES data.




So far out of all the transcripts, audio tapes, or any of the influx of officially released info that has been filtered and disseminated via proven liar John Farmer as the conduit, (in direct response to the research of CIT), they have not been able to concretely support the 2007 released proven fraudulent 84 RADES flight path or contradict the indpendent verifiable corroborated accounts of the Arlington Cemetery employees who simply CONFIRM what we already knew from the C-130 pilot Lt Col Steve O'Brien as outlined in this thread.

This is ABSOLUTELY key information people.

It's every bit as critical as the north side evidence which is why we saw such a frantically aggressive reaction from the coalition of liars who work to cast doubt on this info.

Iīve just viewed the presentation of the NSA ("no such agency", sorry: "National Security Alert"!) and found 2 pictures in this video which I didnīt see before in comparision.



Note the man in the white shirt is jumping to the car on the left. So the the timedifference between both pictures is about 1 to 3 seconds.
The smoke drifts to the south, means northwind.
Now look at the moving object in the air in the upper left fourth part of both pictures.
Obviously a big plane.

I donīt know at which time these pictures where made.
My feeling says me this could be the C-130 of Lt. Col. Steve O'Brien, but it also might be that itīs a total different plane. Then question: which one ?

It's a helicopter.