Witnesses List Broken Down, No such thing as 104 "impact" witnesses

Hello all,

Here is a great resource for you all to use. It consists of a breakdown of all witnesses in relation to what they said versus what they actually saw or could have seen. I based this analysis on what was actually printed. Without direct confirmation and srutinizing of witness claims and POV (point of view) locations, they are merely static words floating around left to imply an impact.

Seeing plane + smoke/fireball DOES NOT equal actually witnessing an impact.

Seeing/descrbing a plane + reporters deduction/sensationalizing about witness account DOES NOT equal actually witnessing an impact.

Speaking with witnesses and clarifying the details of their account is the ONLY way to get answers.

Some witnesses are genuine and some are not. Some are real people with real lives who were confused and convinced by the attacks in New York while some are deep cover opertives or assets implicitly planting bogus information to make us chase our tails or delicately dancing between ambigous statements.

Some merely deduced an impact while some either arrived after the event or simply said they were there and outright lied about an impact. The fact that they "saw a plane versus a missile" is what their account was originally touted for by skeptics but when accepted that there was a plane and scrutinized against the north side flight path and the fact that the local topography does not allow a complete view of the event, most of the accounts do not hold water when analyzed.

I am open to debate on this matter and tried to remain as fair and accurate as I possibly could. If I missed anyone, please let me know. If you disagree with any of this witness designations, then please let me know. However, you should be warned that I will ask you for evidence or logic to support your argument ie pictures and other supporting factors.

First and foremost:

Flyover/away witnesses and connections:
1. Officer Roosevelt Roberts
2. Dewitt Roseborough (person of interest)
3. Co-workers of Erik Dihle at ANC who said that "a bomb hit and a jet kept going"
4. Potentially witnesses interviewed by Dave Statter on 9/11. Witness(es) said "pilot tried to avert the building" and the plane "went to the side of the building not directly in"
5. Maria De La Cerda reports to the Center for Military History on Feb 6, 2002 that she thought it crashed on "the other side" and confirmed to us in 2008 that she did not think it was a side impact but rather that it was "on top".


Only saw plane (possibly from far away location), could not see pentagon, light poles or impact, either deduced or are lying OR do not directly mention or CONFIRM seeing an impact:
Susan Carroll (on metro platform at Reagan National)
Allen Cleveland (on subway metro train at Reagan National)
Meseidy Rodriguez (metro platform at Reagan National)
Steve Snaman (Ft McNair)
Michael Tinyk (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by CIT US Patent and Trademark office in Crystal City)
Greta van Susteren (on the roof of a parking structure at National Airport)
Clyde A. Vaughn, Army Brig. Gen. (Saw the plane loitering over Georgetown, DC, )
Don Chauncey (small commuer plane)
Henry Ticknor (Rt 50, only saw plane for a moment-mad that people misrepresent)
Michael James -POV confirmed (Columbia Pike curve, trees blocked view)
Isabel James -POV confirmed (Columbia Pike curve, trees blocked view)
Mark Eastman
D.S. Khavkin (saw small commerical craft from back on Columbia Pike in highrise)
Allan Wallace (ran when plane came in, admits DID NOT see impact)
Mark Skipper (ran when plane came in, admits DID NOT see impact)
Steve Eiden (out on 395 loop)
Capt Steve McCoy (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by CIT at 395 and Glebe Rd)
Andrea Kaiser (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by CIT at 395 and Glebe Rd)
Ann Krug (Hoffman-Boston Elementary)
Mary Lyman
Oscar Martinez (saw plane, claims he only heard it hit, no confirmation to seeing)
Kirk Milburn (deceased, died in Motorcycle accident-CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by CIT, could not see impact or light poles)
Linda Plaisted
Alfred S. Regnery (watched it disappear behind bridges and concrete barriers)
Joseph Royster
Darb Ryan, Vice Admiral
Elizabeth Smiley
Steve Snaman
Dewey Snavely, Sgt.
Levi Stephens
Greta van Susteren
Phillip Sheuerman (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by CIT, on 395, only saw plane for brief moment, did not see impact)
Phillip Thompson (does not mention seeing impact, only fireball)
Thomas J. Trapasso (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by CIT1400 S. Barton, dubious conflicting witness and can't see Pentagon from location)
Richard Benedetto (claims he did not see impact from Rt 27)
Terry Morin, Former USMC aviator (CONTACTED by CIT, would not return phone calls, EDIT 8/08: INTERVIEWED by CIT)(up at Navy Annex)
James Ryan (And you saw it hit the Pentagon? No, at that point it went down because I was approaching a hill.)
Darb Ryan (quote only says "when out of the corner of my eye I saw the airplane" , the writer for Aviation Week adds 'a split second before it struck'.)
Mickey Bell (did not know what had happened)
Don Scott (did not and could not see pentagon or impact, confirmed by CIT)
Ralph Banton
Michael DiPaula ("sounded like missile", reporter adds detail about plane roaring into view, not in position to make determination on impact)
Lon Rains ("sounded like a missile")
John Thurman,Army Major who works in the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff
Daniel McAdams (only heard)
Dennis Smith (no direct confirmation of impact, may actually support flyover)
Dawn Vignola (TALKED TO by CIT, claimed the plane was white seemed unsure of final position, on 9/11 said 4 times that plane crashed into heliport)
David Battle
Mike Gerson (G.W.Bush's speech writer; didn't come forward as alleged witness until a year later in context of propaganda piece; admits "I didn't see the actual impact")
Kim Dent (heard the engine, only saw shadow of the plane)
Cheryl Hammond [i](saw the big American Airlines plane and started running)
Dan Creed (up on Columbia Pike, no view of Pentagon or impact)
James Keglovich (no indication or CONFIRMATION that he actually saw the impact)
Aydan Kizildrgli (no indication or CONFIRMATION,writers words, his quotes do not allude to ACTUALLY seeing the impact)
Pam Bradley
Christopher Munsey, Navy Times (Owned by Gannett who owns USA Today) reporter (next to Navy Annex and saw plane over Navy Annex which conflicts with official story yet supports north side)-back was to the Pentagon, was traveling south.

Claims they "Saw" impact of "plane"/large airliner-were allegedly in a position to possibly confirm one:
1. Deb Anlauf (CONTACTED by CIT, would not return call)
2. Donald Bouchoux (military consultant. CONTACTED by CIT, would not return call)
3. Mike Walter (had dinner with CIT)
Sean Boger (CONFIRMED the north side, impact deduced due to seeing NoC approach)
4. Lincoln Liebner (at entrance to building in south parking lot, cannot see impact zone from there-but can see flyaway zone-also claims plane hit helicopter which it did not)
5. Hugh "Tim" Timmerman (Dawn Vignola's roomate, unavailable for comment)
6. James R. Cissell
7. Daryl Donley
8. Bobby Eberle (came forward well after the event, Jeff Gannon's boss)
9. Penny Elgas (has plane banking, places it 50-80 feet above ground over highway just before the alleged impact, too high to cause damage, did not see plane hit light poles despite being just a short distance back on the highway)
10. Mary Ann Owens
11. Scott Perry
12. Frank Probst (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED)
Noel Sepulveda, Navy Master Sgt.
13. G. T. Stanley (unconfirmed name/witness)
14. Steve Storti
15. Carla Thompson (unconfirmed name/witness)
16. Terrance Kean (Unreachable)
17. Dave Marra (dubious, questionable witness-claims plane cartwheeled into building)
18. Aziz El Hallou (Debunked witness, photo possibly shows him at Navy Annex)
19. Robert A. Leonard(driving northbound in the HOV lanes on I-395; Pentagon is on the left. The plane vanished, absorbed by the building, and there was a slight pause. Then a huge fireball rose into the sky.")
20. Mike Dobbs (according to writer, not confirmed, not his own words)
21. Joe Harrington (seems like it made impact before Wedge-in South Parking lot)
22. Rick Renzi (corrupt congressman, listed as law student, has plane "dive bombing", very DUBIOUS account-doe not match either flight path-completely lying)
23. Vin Narayanan (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED BY CIT - part of the USA Today parade, claims he saw a "second jet" after hopping out of his car)


"Saw" a plane & impact from far away, but DID NOT mention a second plane/jet shadowing/chasing and veering away as the impact happened:
24. Steve Anderson, USA Today Editor (saw impact from USA Today building)
Don Wright (a commuter plane, two-engined )
Don Chauncey (small commuter plane)
Steve Gerard (saw small corporate jet with no markings) (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Lesley Kelly, Cmdr. U.S. Navy (Ret.) (near impossible to see the plane approach from DC)
James Robbins (a national-security analyst & NRO contributor for National Review, William F Buckley (CIA) publication saw silver flash, "diving in an unrecoverable angle")
Ken Ford (prop plane flying up river from National)


(25 TOTAL WHO COULD HAVE SEEN OR CLAIM TO HAVE SEEN IMPACT)

Claims plane an American Airlines:
Richard Benedetto
James R. Cissell (later said published version account was "almost completely fiction" by reporter; specifically said "I found it remarkable that someone even saw what airline it was from", implying that he himself could not tell. See here)
Dennis Clem
Mike Dobbs, Marine Cmdr.
Penny Elgas
Cheryl Hammond
Joe Harrington
William Lagasse (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by CIT)
Lincoln Leibner, Army Major
Elaine McCusker
Mitch Mitchell, Ret. Army Col. CBS news correspondent
Christopher Munsey, Navy Times reporter
Vin Narayanan (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
John O'Keefe (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Steve Riskus
Mike Walter
Joel Sucherman (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Frank Probst (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
James Ryan
Steve Storti
Tim Timmerman
Michael Tinyk (dark orange and blue) (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by CIT)
Alan Wallace (white airplane with orange and blue trim)
Ian Wyatt
Afework Hagos (according to writer)(CONTACT ATTEMPTED by CIT)

(25 total)





Saw a "silver plane":
Allen Cleveland
Albert Hemphill
James Mosely (silver flash?)
Steve Patterson
James S. Robbins
Madelyn Zackem (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Lt. Col O'Brien(CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by PFT/CIT)

(7 total)




Saw "the/a plane", not identified as AA:
Steve Anderson
Deb Anlauf
Sean Boger (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Donald Bouchoux
Pam Bradley
Mark Bright
Omar Campo
Susan Carroll
James R. Cissell
Dan Creed
Daryl Donley
Bob Dubill
Bobby Eberle
Steve Eiden
Bruce Elliott, Colonel
Kim Flyler
Kat Gaines
Fred Gaskins
Steven Gerard
Afework Hagos
Eugenio Hernandez
Fred Hey
Michael James
Andrea Kaiser
Terrance Kean
James Keglovich
Lesley Kelly, Cmdr. U.S. Navy (Ret.)
Aydan Kizildrgli
Ann Krug
Robert A. Leonard
Mary Lyman
David Marra
Oscar Martinez
Stephen McGraw (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
William Middleton Sr.
Kirk Milburn
Mary Ann Owens
Zinovy Pak
Scott Perry
Christine Peterson
Linda Plaisted
Alfred S. Regnery
Rick Renzi
Meseidy Rodriguez
Joseph Royster
Darb Ryan, Vice Admiral
Don Scott (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Noel Sepulveda, Navy Master Sgt.
Elizabeth Smiley
Steve Snaman
Dewey Snavely, Sgt.
G. T. Stanley
Levi Stephens
Greta van Susteren
Shari Taylor
Carla Thompson
Phillip Thompson
Thomas J. Trapasso (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Rodney Washington



Only heard plane:
Ralph Banton
Michael DiPaula ("sounded like missile", reporter adds detail about wing)
Lon Rains ("sounded like a missile")
John Thurman,Army Major who works in the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff
Daniel McAdams


Heard impact/explosions:
Lisa Burgess
Michael DiPaula
John Thurman, Army Major who works in the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff



Saw something else that does NOT support official story:
Stuart Artman (plane over/near Wash. monument)
Joseph Candelario (plane flying towards White House, sharp turn to Pentagon)
Ken Ford (prop plane flying up river from National)
Kat Gaines (plane striking telephone poles from 110)
Steve Gerard (saw small corporate jet with no markings) (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Joe Hurst ( saw it go overhead, Oval Room restaurant at Lafayette Square? DC)
Lesley Kelly, Cmdr.U.S. Navy(Ret.)(saw it descend from office in downtown DC)
D.S. Khavkin (saw small commerical craft)
Elaine McCusker (saw AA over 14th street bridge)
Steve Patterson (small silver 8-12 passenger commuter plane)
Dennis Smith (tail section before impact from Pentagon Courtyard)
Clyde A. Vaughn, Army Brig. Gen. (Saw the plane loitering over Georgetown, DC,
Don Wright (a commuter plane, two-engined-strange behavior when questioned about direction )
Omar Campo (saw white with blue on the bottom plane, United plane)
Michael Kelly (plane flying over him while he is on the 14th st bridge, debris falling on the 14th st bridge/395, sounded like small plane)
Harry Gold (saw plane "off the registered course over the Potomac" and believes it made a dive over Rosslyn)
Noel Sepulveda, Navy Master Sgt. (unconfirmed account-claims landing gear was down and hit light pole)
Sgt. Chadwick Brooks CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT-saw champagne off white plane on north side of Citgo, admits he could have been fooled and he stands by where he saw the plane)
Levi Stephens (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT-saw plane on north side of Citgo, claims did not look like and was not an American Airlines aircraft)
Robert Turcios (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CITsaw plane on north side of Citgo, claims did not look like and was not an American Airlines aircraft)

Could see details of plane such as windows or passengers:
Daryl Donley
Steve Eiden
James R. Cissell (later said published version account was "almost completely fiction" by reporter; says he did NOT see passengers; See here)
Kim Flyler


Claims Saw it clip light pole:
Wanda Ramey (CONTACTED/INTERVIEWED by CIT, cannot remember if she thought she actually saw the plane hit a pole or simply deduced it after seeing it on the ground like everyone else we spoke with)
Noel Sepulveda, Navy Master Sgt. (unconfirmed account-claims landing gear was down and hit light pole)
Lloyd England (CONTACTED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
Mike Walter (has since changed story)


Listed or mistaken as witnesses but actually nowhere near the pentagon at the time of the attack nor did they see anything
Don Fortunato
Lee Evey
Tom Hovis
Jack Singleton
Henry Ticknor

Saw plane on north side of Citgo or headed towards north side of Citgo
Sgt William Lagasse
Sgt Chadwick Brooks
Robert Turcios
Levi Stephens
Sean Boger
Ed Paik
William Middleton
Darryl Stafford
Darius Prater
Donald Carter
Amy Hart (according to Steve Ross)
Terry Morin
Maria De La Cerda
George Aman

Unable to make sense of account:
Mark Petitt ( Very dubious account due to being "110", "on a bridge", unless he is referring Rt 27 it would still be dubious because he works "across the street" which can only mean Army Navy Drive in Crystal City which is the ONLY thing that can be "across the street" from the Pentagon-but that is in the other direction that he is driving. If he works at Arlington National Cemetery or the gas station(the Citgo I doubt) Rt 27 or 110 as he called it is a highway, not a "street" like Army Navy DriveEither way-Sounds like he is deducing the impact, not describing it in detail.
it went over the horizon then it came back in front of a bridge where I was sitting. And... I knew it was gonna hit [...] And the next thing you know it was just a huge explosion. Umm, black smoke everywhere.)[/i]

Remember, the second plane contained 3 types of witnesses.

1. Those who were genuine who saw a C-130 2-3 minutes or more after the attack. I believe the ANC workers are those types of witnesses.
2. Witnesses who may have seen the flyaway post explosion and just refer to it as a second plane.
3. Complicit operatives who were trying to ambiguously blend and vaguely imply that the there was a second plane/jet shadowing/chasing close behind on the same flight path veering away from or was over or near the pentagon at the time of the impact/explosion/fireball. The wording is key and is actually even accomplished through the author of the articles. When pressed to give details they back off a bit and merely throw O'brien under the bus by making it seem as if he controlled the plane up until the alleged impact while conspiracy theorists lap it up and take the bait, effectively missing the real problems with their account. They want everyone to look like Fetzer did when he was asked about the C-130's role in the BBC 9/11 documentary, 9/11 Conspiracy Files. It is a possibility that there was an effort to lengthen the amount of time after the event that the plane arrived at, ie shadow, 3-5 seconds after, 30 seconds, less than a minute.


Second plane witnesses in chronological order:

2006:

A great list. I think the witnesses who "heard a plane" needs some more names, and also, I think it would be interested to see how many didn't hear it, because it seems a lot of the witnesses on the road, very close to the plane, don't hear it (south of Citgo). It seems the people distant, in apartments or at work, hear it first, very loud, then look for it.

How about a "other color" list? And those that see the plane diving down versus flying straight over tree tops?

I will be finishing the local DC coverage live news from that day soon, and will add that to the list. But so far, Dawn Vignola is the first AA witness on air, at 9:51 on CBS. Then at 10:51, on CBS, Joel Sucherman, then at 11:06 on CBS is Mike Walter. I'll have to double check my notes and update this comment, but I think, before noon, those are the only AA witnesses on television.

Thanks for the list and the names. Looks like a lot of work!

Is this the reporter that gave the first report, that went out to all stations, of a plane at the Pentagon?

Greta van Susteran in her first report on air hears a noise, looks and sees fireball. Later that night, she thinks she looked and might have seen something, then the fireball. The next day, she saw a plane flying at the Pentagon, then a fireball. But her very first report, she doesn't know if it was an airplane or a bomb. NBC reporters inside the Pentagon, heard and felt an explosion, and even an hour after the event have found no plane witnesses, but several that think bombs went off.

I'm not an excel expert, but it would be great to put these names into excel and punch out some percentages on the number of witnesses who contradict the official story and the number who support the official story.

And then from the list determine what percentage of the eyewitnesses work for the Federal Government or are contracted with the Federal Government.

I'm guessing here but I would imagine the percentages do not favor a support of the official story.

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6636

I'm not sure if Samuel Danner was on the list or not. What do you guys think of his statement?

Sam Danner has admitted that he lied for attention.

His son was the one who first outed him and soon after he admitted that he was not even at the scene until hours after the event.

I didn't see a category for "Saw Plane Pull Up and Overfly The Building"

Are you telling me *nobody* saw what you are claiming? Not even one or two?

No we are not telling you that at all.

We are telling you that the previously published witness list is mischaracterized and misrepresented.

We are also telling you that the evidence of what people really reported is deliberately withheld implicating a cover-up and also that people who saw the plane flying away were told that it was a 2nd plane even though there was no second plane.

A complete explanation for how this military deception was carried out is available in this presentation.

After watching it, if you still have questions, feel free to ask them in this thread.

Thank you.

Great! I'm already getting up to speed on what you have here.

But to play devil's advocate for a moment, you don't have anyone who actually saw the aircraft pull up and fly away? Who saw the whole thing? Anyone from the Doubletree or any of the other buildings in the north part of Crystal City of north of Pentagon City that have that broad, wide vista of the north and north west? You think you would have found someone by now, 6 and a half years later.

Excellent. This post should help you out further.

Did you watch the new presentation I linked for you? It goes into this in detail.

The answer to your question is no we don't have a witness who saw it all go down. But that doesn't mean that nobody did. We DO have evidence of a direct cover-up of what people really first reported. This in itself has serious implications.

But most people in the Crystal City high rises would not be aware of the event until AFTER the explosion. People don't typically sit staring at planes out of their window. Particularity in that area where there are all types of strange military craft flying all of the place at any given time. It's common and quite frequent.

So think about it.....you are off in the distance in some high rise and all the sudden you hear a big explosion, you go to the window and see this massive smoke plume pouring from the Pentagon.....by then the plane would be long gone fast ascending up river as departures are doing every couple minutes and all eyes would be on the Pentagon.

Now for the few people who would have still noticed the plane fly away or actually see the entire event go down by seeing the plane on the approach, pull up, and then fly away.......what do you think would happen if they called in to the media or authorities?

On that day ALL KINDS of crazy things were being reported about the attack being at the White House, the Washington Monument, the USA Today building, all being on fire or something.

Perhaps a lot of these reports were legitimate confusion perhaps some were deliberately planted for confusion.

Most people did not have a clue what had just gone down. It was all so quick. We have an interview with someone who was on route 27 directly underneath the flight path and she had no clue there was a plane at all! She was stuck in traffic preoccupied on her cell phone (like most people) and it happened so fast that she didn't see or hear a plane at all and thought that the Pentagon was "bombed". It wasn't until she got home and listened to the news did she know anything about a plane.

The point is that anything that didn't follow what the government told the media happened was written off as "anomalous" in all the confusion.

Now put yourself back in the mind of the witness who saw it all go down. As the media reports of AA77 hitting the building started to come in...(a plane impact was first reported as early as 4 minutes after the attack, see here.) you would think to yourself...."but I saw the plane fly away."

Even if you could get through on the phones regardless of who you called it would not matter because they would simply tell you that AA77 hit the building and that you must have seen something else or they would have taken the report and hung up and later written it off as "anomalous" or inaccurate because the government said AA77 hit the building.

In the following days and weeks there would only be two places for your mind to go....

1. I guess I was just seeing things, was confused, or saw something else and simply missed the plane that hit.
2. I know for a fact that no plane hit that motherf'ing building, this has to be a military psyop.

We all know where number 1 would lead so what do you think most people would do with number 2?

Remember the climate of the nation. Remember the mass hysterical xenophobic desire to kill all things not American.

How loudly would your average person scream "MILITARY PSYOP" and what difference could it possibly have made anyway?

The witness would simply find reports of a 2nd plane and breathe a sigh of relief and probably never consider it again.

Or they would bury it deep in their subconscious and live in fear for what they know while vowing to themselves to never say a word.

Hopefully these people will see our work and it will wake up that sleeping part of their memory and they will speak out.

At this point it's all we can hope for as we continue to seek them out and uncover more and more evidence fatally contradicting the official story.

Really?

She was on the Reagan Metro platform.

Please explain how she saw the plane hit:





Then you have Allen Cleveland and Meseidy Rodriguez as witnesses who were on a train, just pulling onto the reagan platform with their back to the Pentagon.




Yet here is what "Arabesque" states as their account:

The same account for both. Yet that statement is attributed to Cleveland referring to what his brother-in-law claims he saw.

Yet Arabesque not only attributes it to Cleveland, but to Rodriguez as well.

Here are the full accounts...

Additionally,

"I saw it as it was about to hit"..."as it was coming in... and the next thing I know there was a huge explosion"..."witnessed the explosion."

None of these four could see the impact, let alone the Pentagon...let a lone a flyover/away

They just lost 4.

Anybody want to point some witnesses who debunk the north side flight path?

Any that you've confirmed?

Steve Storti:

-The plane did not travel straight as an arrow.

His last known address in 2002 was 1425 Eads St., in Crystal City.

Anyone want to tell me how he saw that with all that distance and highrises in between him?

sounds to me like the timing fits the flyover. once the majority of the fuselage had cleared the building (we're talking seconds/milliseconds), then the explosion occurred, thats why (imo) steve remembers seeing the tail and then an explosion.

the rest of his account is either embellishment, false memory or deduction (thanks to the official story broadcast by the msm at the time of the incident) or outright bullshit, intended to muddy the waters and/or disinform.

but you're right aldo, that at the address you've quoted:

STEVEN R STORTI Born Jan 1956
More info available for a fee Record Created: 01/2002
1425 EADS ST ARLINGTON, VA 22202

map of crystal city address:
http://www.zabasearch.com/maps/?sname1=STE...&cy=2002&phone=

he would NOT have been able to see anything. so either he lived in a position to see more, or he heard some details somewhere that he then put his own twist on the story, OR he never said anything at all, and some slick/eager newsperson took it upon themselves to attribute the story to him.


where i found his account:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:e-8Lt...clnk&cd=3&gl=us


the above links to this as the original storti account:
http://www.projo.com/citiesandtowns/conten...2see.88930.html (gone, plus search of the site doesNt find it either)

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.pr...2see.88930.html (also gone)

all pages prior to 2005 are gone from that site:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/www.pro...citiesandtowns/

but its curious how his account appears in a rhode island paper, in 2002 (9/12). given that much time having gone by, who could really give his account any credence? and why in a rhode island paper? did steve move there? was he from there? i assume they were doing an anniversary piece on 911, but why steve storti? i guess storti must be from rhode island.



is this him?
http://www.narragansetttimes.com/content/view/906/

it must be:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gSCr0...clnk&cd=5&gl=us

more:
http://www.projo.com/news/content/NARR_LAW...AG.30228ce.html

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btw- a search for fontaine and loontjens (named as defendants in storti's case) show no results... i'll keep searching tho - its possible i havent found the right database yet (possible but unlikely since i have searched most if not all of the r.i. databases).



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nice work bro. lets get on this. btw, I will call you later man.