Anomalous Flight 93 Phone Calls, Glick, Beamer, & Felt

Moussaoui Trial Evidence


From the above evidence presented at the Moussaoui trial we learn the following information :

Jeremy Glick's Phone Call At 9:37:41 lasts until 11:43:49am.

Todd Beamer's Phone Call At 9:43:48 lasts until 10:49:29am.

Which indicates a connection between the airphone (where the calls originated) remained active long past the crash time. The calls are shown as they would be billed. They are not the recipients but the originators.

If Glick and Beamer were on the plane that is alleged to have crashed in Shanksville there is no way for their phone calls to last past the 10:03 'official' crash time.

Every call is documented and where it originated from on the plane. Every call from every flight. Well every call but 1 that is. The call which no information is available for is the call made by Ed Felt at 9:58:00. This call to 911 placed Felt inside the planes bathroom. He makes no mention of any revolt or that the passengers had taken a vote to revolt. Unlike all other passengers he snuck into the bathroom and hid while others are alleged to have openly made phone calls. He is the only passenger that called 911. His call was taken by John Shaw and listened in on by his supervisor Glenn Cramer of West Moreland County 911. FBI immediately took the recording into their possession following finding out of its existence and both Cramer and Shaw have been gagged but only after Cramer is alleged to have told the NYTimes that Felt never mentioned any explosion or smoke. Then he was no longer allowed to speak with anyone else about the call.

Taking Lee Purbaugh's account as truth that the plane he saw was flying right side up and had a grey belly then it is most likely that these passengers were on 2 seperate flights.

Pittsburgh Post Gazette

I've heard that cell phone calls are not even possible above 3,000 feet. Has anyone verified or at least heard of that?

I know that I've tried it many times and it NEVER works.

Coverage was a lot worse in 2001 too.

The only scientific study of this that I know of was conducted by A. K. Dewdney.

The Cellphone and Airfone Calls from Flight UA93

Ed Felt, the only passenger to call 911 on the morning of 9/11 made his call when by all eyewitness accounts the plane was flying below 1000' AGL.

When you say that he was the only passenger to make a cell call on the morning of 9/11, are you saying that you believe his call was the only legit one, because so many of the others made from the other planes seem sort of...well, stiff and fake?

By the way how do you guys get the neat lil box with your quote?

EDIT: Just make sure both quote tags are closed. Like this but spell quote properly:
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I'll let Domenick address your post.

When you say that he was the only passenger to make a cell call on the morning of 9/11, are you saying that you believe his call was the only legit one, because so many of the others made from the other planes seem sort of...well, stiff and fake?

By the way how do you guys get the neat lil box with your quote?

EDIT: Just make sure both quote tags are closed. Like this but spell quote properly:
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I'll let Domenick address your post.

I have no reason to believe Felt's phone call was a fabrication. Westmoreland County operators are gagged and the recording was confiscated.

Let me clarify my earlier statement, my point was Felt dialed 911. As far as I know he is the only passenger to do this. I believe out of 4 planes. I will re-examine the Moussaoui phone logs to confirm.

That seems odd to me. You think more than one person might have had that idea.......

What do you think about the Betty Ong and Bingham calls? As far as the Barbara Olson call, the only evidence of it's existence is from her husband Ted, US Solicitor General at the time. In fact here is a take on that call that I find interesting
http://www.vialls.com/lies911/lies.htm

Hi,

Mobile calls are possible at altitude, but difficult at best due to coverage issues.

Don't get drawn into the deception that mobiles need switching off on aircraft because their signals are received by multiple stations at one time, causing the networks to fail, because that is total baloney. It is actually how cellular networks work normally.

The real reason for switching mobiles off on aircraft is because it is possible for handsets to interfere with aircraft systems, however I'm not aware of any incidences caused by a handset being on in flight (or even in use). They were also flight testing a method to permit the use of mobiles in flight. So we're going from banning the use of phones, to designing in-flight base stations precisely so we can use them. Strange, don't ya think?

If only one call was placed to 911 operators, and that tape was confiscated, where is it now? Surely it is a matter of public record, along with the other recordings from that flight? If not, there is something very fishy (and not necessarily with the recording).

http://www.vialls.com/lies911/lies.htm

This isn't true (unless they out-ran radio waves??). All phones on the aircraft are satellite based.

Possible, because what threat is the use of the phone?

Best regards,
MoD.

This isn't true (unless they out-ran radio waves??). All phones on the aircraft are satellite based.

Possible, because what threat is the use of the phone?

Best regards,
MoD.

I'm not disputing the calls themselves, I'm disputing they were made from the same plane. I believe any phones which had a connection over 2000' on 9/11 were airphones on the plane and not cell phones.

You mention Todd Beamer's phone call lasting 13 minutes. If Todd was on the same plane as Ed Felt then why would Felt feel compelled to sneak into a bathroom and dial 911 while peeking out of the door?

Todd's call also remains connected for over 45 minutes past the official crash time of the plane according to evidence presented by the USG in the case vs Moussaoui.

I would say the threat of the phone is causing the authorities to become aware of a positively identified hijacked craft on a day where you have to gamble the USAF isn't going to blow you out of the sky 10 minutes after you veer off course or turn off your transponder.

So if you weren't being engaged by F15's yet I don't think you would allow people to possibly tip off other people that they definitely want to send some F15's your direction.

OK - I just went through the link posted further up. Interesting comments - I though a couple of cell phones were allegedly used at around 30,000 ft?

I only quoted that part as it was part of the paragraph, but interesting question. I didn't know these two were on the same flight! For him to sneak into the bathroom and for the two operators to say he said he did that, throws a large WTF in the works. Assuming for a moment the telephone operators aren't some form of dis-info or attempted obfuscation of the facts, this is certainly a very strange detail. Where was this first reported???

I'm not 100% sure how satellite links work, so my first reaction would be "in the event of a loss of signal, does the line stay open until a time-out period is reached?". Without further information on the technical set up of the network, I can't comment further than to say "it could be possible".

Yeah..... I thought that at the time I wrote it, but left it in anyway.

Best regards,
MoD.

I believe that initially was the story but later it turned into the more realistic onboard airphones. As there weren't cell stations on planes in 2001 cell phone calls at such altitude and speed would have had way less than a 1% chance of a successful connection and even at that remaining connected afterwards surely would have not lasted long at all.

It was first reported in the Sommerset Daily American, Pittsburgh Post Gazette, & Tribune Review. It was later mentioned on CNN in the evening time of 9/11. I have multiple forms of contact info for both John Shaw (who took the call) and his supervisor Glenn Cramer (who listened in). I believe The Guardian was the first to report gag orders were placed on both men. I have attempted contact multiple times and can receive no response. But I still have one more trick up my sleeve.

Interesting to note, Cramer would later appear in a NYTimes article and deny that Felt said an explosion had taken place and that the plane was filling up with smoke. He never did another interview after that.

I would imagine a time out would have to occur. Unless there was some anomaly which prevented it but then you have to calculate the probability that such an anomaly would occur from 2 passengers on the same flight. Once the signal is gone the possibility that such calls would remain connected before timing out is impossible. The best the "skeptic" crowd has come to offer as an explanation is that these are the time the recipients remained connected. They are suggesting that the evidence isnt the calls made from the plane but the calls received on the ground.

Which doesn't explain why out of the passenger calls listed for 4 flights there is no listing that Ed Felt made a 78 second phone call at 9:58 to Westmoreland County 911.

Were the lists tampered with by someone who didn't consider the technicalities of a phone system, and just fudged some numbers, not realizing their importance? Could possibly explain the long connection period after the plane had allegedly crashed.

If I had designed the system, I'd put a timeout of maybe 5 minutes on it. That is quite a long time for no reception though, and at least one of the parties on the line are likely to have hung up (think about when you're talking to someone on a mobile and it cuts out - I bet you're no more than 30 seconds without anything before you hang up).

Best regards,
MoD.

Sure it is possible but why?

I can see motive for omitting evidence corroborating any aspect of Ed Felt's phone call but why extend 2 passengers call so they appeared to last way past the official time of the crash?

Like I stated previously, debunkers tend to claim this is the time the recipients remained on their line on that connection but surely you would know at some point the connection was lost and hang up your phone hoping they were trying to call you back.

Could you imagine being on a hijacked plane connecting to a loved one, the call getting dropped and you can't call that loved one back because they won't hang up their phone because they suddenly can't figure out the connection was lost?

Hi,

Exactly my point - the connections wouldn't persist.

Why those two calls? No idea. If they were fabricating a story though, and had to create those call records, it's possible they just went a bit wild with them.

Did any other calls extend beyond the crash time by so much as a minute?

Best regards,
MoD.