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kropotkine427
Posted: Oct 22 2009, 01:14 PM


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I Try to contact Dasquie for several weeks... no answer.
I intend to draft an open letter to expose the contradictions of his "investigation".
He quotes, for example, 3 experts. The only real specialist of the air crashes answers him " the trajectory shows an impact on the roof, not against the facade ".
And his military expert tells us that "the plane was transformed into missile".

And i don't speak about his "witnesses"


In any cases, you are right not to wish to write him. It would be a waste of time.
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kropotkine427
Posted: Nov 9 2009, 09:13 AM


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Open letter to Guillaume Dasquié, with full presentation of CIT:
http://faitsdivers.blog4ever.com/blog/lire...uie___l_ef.html
Also published on ReOpenNews & Agoravox.
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Ligon
Posted: Nov 20 2009, 04:31 PM


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In the recent 9/11 debate on the television network France 2 featuring Jean-Marie Bigard and Matthieu Kassovitz against three France 2 "journalists" who were defending the official story, the France 2 "journalists" pathetically attempted to debunk the missile theory using Mike Walter's testimony, even though Bigard and Kassovitz repeatedly said that they did not believe the missile theory. The "journalists" insisted on playing the strawman clip of Walter anyway, and just before it begins Kassovitz says:

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Will we also see excerpts from people saying different things?  Like the Pentagon policemen saying the plane flew past the South side...
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Craig Ranke CIT
Posted: Nov 20 2009, 09:25 PM


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Ha! wow.

The smallest possible reference and it was said wrong.
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kropotkine427
Posted: Nov 22 2009, 02:02 AM


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A great disappointment but this debat was not very good anyway.

A little consolation.
The CIT is quoted here , on the website of the Swiss association "11 septembre.ch" (Nouvelles) via our open letter to G. Dasquié.

http://www.reopen911.ch/
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kropotkine427
Posted: Dec 3 2009, 05:39 AM


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Thierry Meysan and Pierre Henri Bunel answered our Open letter.
An interview of Thierry Meysan will soon be published on the Ikky's blog http://faitsdivers.blog4ever.com.
The work of the CIT will be discussed there.
PH Bunel sent us a short text in which he recognized the importance of your work.
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Craig Ranke CIT
Posted: Dec 3 2009, 07:12 AM


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Excellent!

Great job kropo!
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kropotkine427
Posted: Dec 4 2009, 02:12 PM


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Craig Ranke CIT
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Ligon
Posted: Dec 4 2009, 02:38 PM


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Google translates the most relevant quote from Meyssan as:

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Let me first a remark.  There were lights on the ground, but we should not conclude too quickly that they were knocked or cut by an aircraft.  Some of these lamps had been removed the previous days for review.  Some may have been blown by the explosion.

Come on. Many people testified that they saw or heard the plane.  This is not new.  The contribution of the Citizen Investigation Team, is to have reconstituted its course and have shown that it did not crash, has been shot and has proceeded without a hitch.


kropotkine, can you give us your own translation of this section? Google's translation is pretty bad.

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K. et I. : Notre lettre ouverte s'appuie essentiellement sur les travaux de la Citizen Investigation Team. Cette équipe a rencontré les témoins oculaires de l'attaque du Pentagone pour tenter de mettre fin aux spéculations sur les événements d'Arlington. Leurs découvertes peuvent se résumer ainsi : il y avait bien un avion de ligne volant à basse altitude en direction du Pentagone, mais sur une trajectoire inconciliable avec les dégâts matériels, notamment les fameux lampadaires arrachés et l'orientation diagonale des dégâts entre les anneaux E et C.
Cet avion n'aurait pas frappé mais survolé le Pentagone. Cette hypothèse vous paraît-elle plausible ?

T.M. : Permettez-moi d'abord une remarque latérale. Il y avait des lampadaires au sol, mais il ne faut pas en conclure trop vite qu'ils ont été renversés ou sectionnés par un aéronef. Certains de ces lampadaires avaient été démontés les jours précédents pour révision. Certains peuvent avoir été soufflés par l'explosion.

Allons au sujet. Quantité de gens ont témoigné avoir vu ou entendu cet avion. Ce n'est pas nouveau. L'apport de la Citizen Investigation Team, c'est d'avoir reconstitué son trajet et d'avoir montré qu'il ne s'est pas écrasé, n'a pas été abattu et a poursuivi sa route sans encombre.

Ceci soulève deux questions. D'abord, cet avion est entré dans un espace aérien protégé sans être détruit. Ensuite, je ne peux m'empêcher de penser à cette dépêche étonnante de l'AFP : «URGENT Un avion se dirige vers le Pentagone». Comment «un responsable du FBI» pouvait-il savoir qu'un avion se dirigeait vers cette cible, plutôt que vers une autre à Washington ?


K. et I. :La thèse du survol et de la fuite (the flyover/flyaway theory) défendue par le CIT ne serait-elle pas la seule explication capable d'accorder les faits matériels aux témoignages ?

T.M. : Cette question ne s'est jamais posée. D'une part parce personne n'a jamais contesté que des gens aient vu un avion à proximité du Pentagone, d'autre part parce que les contradictions ne sont pas entre une théorie et des témoignages, mais entre les différents témoignages. Pour faire vite : Donald Rumsfeld est entré en complet veston au cœur de la fournaise et a vu des débris de Boeing calcinés. Il en est ressorti très choqué, mais sa chemise toujours aussi propre. Les pompiers sont entrés au cœur de la fournaise grâce à leurs combinaisons amiantées et ils n'ont pas vu de débris d'avion, ni de trace de kérosène. Qui dit vrai ?
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Craig Ranke CIT
Posted: Dec 4 2009, 02:41 PM


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Very interesting.

It almost seems as though he is indifferent to our findings since he already believes that no plane hit the building. As if what we have uncovered is not new.

Unless it's a translation issue.

Here is the bad translation of the relevant question about our work:

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kropotkine427: Our open letter relies mainly on the work of the Citizen Investigation Team. The team met with eyewitnesses to the attack on the Pentagon to try to end to speculation about events in Arlington. Their findings may be summarized thus: there was indeed an airliner flying low toward the Pentagon, but on a path inconsistent with the damage, including the famous lights and pulled the diagonal orientation of the damage between the rings E and C.
This plane did not hit but flew over the Pentagon. This assumption you seem plausible?

Thierry Meyssan: 
Let me first a remark. There were lights on the ground, but we should not conclude too quickly that they were knocked or cut by an aircraft. Some of these lamps had been removed the previous days for review. Some may have been blown by the explosion.

Come on. Many people testified that they saw or heard the plane. This is not new. The contribution of the Citizen Investigation Team, is to have reconstituted its course and have shown that it did not crash, has been shot and has proceeded without a hitch.

This raises two questions. First, the aircraft entered a protected airspace without being destroyed. Then, I can not help thinking about this astonishing dispatch from AFP: "URGENT A plane headed toward the Pentagon." How "a senior FBI" could he know that a plane was headed toward the target rather than another in Washington?


If I understand the translation correctly it seems like he accepts the notion of a flyover and that our assertion has "proceeded without a hitch".

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kropotkine427
Posted: Dec 5 2009, 02:06 AM


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Meyssan says about CIT & the flyover.

Let us go to the subject. Quantity of people testifed to have seen or heard this plane. It is not new. The contribution of the Citizen Investigation Team, it is to have reconstituted its route and to have shown that it did not crash, was not shoots down and pursued its road without blocks.

This raises two questions. At first, this plane entered an air space protected without being destroyed. Then, I cannot refrain from thinking of this surprising telegram of AFP: " URGENT A plane goes to the Pentagon ". How " could a person in charge of FBI " know that a plane went to this target, rather than to the other one in Washington?

Then whe ask about the flyover/flyaway

T.M.: This question never arose. On one hand because nobody has ever taken issue that people saw a plane near the Pentagon, on the other hand because the contradictions are not between a theory and testimonies, but between the various testimonies. To make fast: Donald Rumsfeld entered complete jacket in the heart of the oven and saw calcined fragments of Boeing. He went out from it very shocked, but his shirt always so clean. Fire brigades entered in the heart of the oven thanks to their amiantées combinations and they did not see fragment of plane, nor track of fuel. Who says the truth?


And his conclusion:
However, I did not change opinion. Today, the hypothesis of the missile is the only one who reports facts and is compatible with noticed them. It) applies to the main explosion, that arose at half past nine. But we know that another explosion had arisen previously, further to which the order had been given to evacuate partially the building ship.


Take note that Pierre Henri Bunel wrote that from his point of view, the missile came from the south & the plane flew from the North and flyover the bulding.
All in all it is positive.
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kropotkine427
Posted: Dec 5 2009, 02:08 AM


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Craig use Reverso for your translation:
http://www.reverso.net
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Craig Ranke CIT
Posted: Dec 5 2009, 08:38 AM


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QUOTE (kropotkine427 @ Dec 5 2009, 10:06 AM)

Take note that Pierre Henri Bunel wrote that from his point of view, the missile came from the south & the plane flew from the North and flyover the bulding.
All in all it is positive.

Yeah it sounds like they are supportive but I don't think they have looked closely at what we have done.

They are reducing what we have accomplished to "theory" while conflating the FACTS we have uncovered with the missile theory.

Bottom line there is ZERO evidence for a missile since it makes no sense to accept the security video as valid.

I hope they take a closer look at this information.
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Craig Ranke CIT
Posted: Dec 5 2009, 08:42 AM


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Also the notion that he could say that some of the light poles "may have been blown by the explosion" leads me to believe he is not aware of our experiences with the cab driver.
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