Hi everybody.I find this site fascinating and full of good information.

My question concerns several accounts i have come across regarding when alarm clocks stopped exactly in the area of the Pentagon that suffered the damage.

It seems to me that if enough clocks were stopped at a certain time, this could exactly nail down the time of the "explosion", which helps with a timeline of events.

Also, i am in firm agreement that flight 77 did not impact the Pentagon. i wonder exactly what caused the explosion, where it was placed, and several witness accounts of "cordite"

Well there is nothing solid indicating an exact time. I wouldn't place too much in the clocks. I am not sure why they would start blowing things up early internally, then blow up the outside.

I do believe they blew up the inside using some type of explosives/incendiary devices.

My question was trying to establish if the stopped clocks jive with the flight animation i saw on the pilots forum.

I am also curious how the Mineta testimony fits in with the flyover.

His testimony obviously clearly states that a plane was inbound, and had been noted for at least 50 miles as such.

What plane was 50 miles out that Cheney was discussing???


Just trying to fit all this together, and you guys seem to have a good grip on a lot of stuff.

Sure no problem.

The clocks do not match with each other, let alone the official "impact" time.

The important part about Mineta's account is the plane being DRA near the USA Today building/Great Falls.

That is irreconcilable with the SW loop shown in the FDR. This would mean the data is fraudelant and not from a plane they claim crashed into the Pentagon.

That was the plane they were discussing. The decoy jet that is we believe.

"Well there is nothing solid indicating an exact time."

Well, most everypone else in the free world (and probably most in the not-so-free-world) agree that 0938 was the impact time.

NBC Pentagon Correspondent Jim Miklaszewski was on air at the moment of impact, breaking in to state that he just felt the building shake.

"On September 11, 2001, NBC News Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski was the first reporter at the scene to relay that the Pentagon had been attacked. In a 9:39 a.m. report, he said, "[J]ust a few moments ago ... there was an explosion of some kind here at the Pentagon."

As far as clocks and such all not showing the correct time, I just walked around my building here and out of 5 wall clocks, they differed by up to 4 minutes. The same would be the case for the Pentagon clocks and the fact that many of them show different time is no anomaly in the least.

And yes, you guys do have a good grip on something.

Jim Miklaszewski was NOT on air at the time of explosion, but after hearing and feeling an explosion, he rushed around to see what happened, then got to a phone, then called, told his story, and then was put on the air. He was on the air speaking just 90 seconds after alleged impact.
As I noted in my analysis of the archieved footage, it takes 5 minutes or longer for all news to make the air on 9/11. So how did Jim do it in 90 seconds?

Beg to differ, but I was listening to the television that morning, heard Miklaszewski's comments, walked 3 steps to a window and saw the first stages of the black plume of smoke with flame in it begin to rise over the Pentagon.

In other words, within 5 seconds of Mik saying what he reported, I was seeing the very first plume of smoke from the impact.

Miklaszewski had just finished reporting on other issues at the Pentagon a few minutes before the impact, so his phone line was still connected. The morning NBC news talking head had moved on to talk with someone else, when a few minutes later Miklaszewski broke back in with his comment about feeling the building shake.

A few years later when I worked at the Pentagon, I met Jim a couple of times and as we were waiting in line for something once I mentioned to him that his report that morning was one of the most vivid things I remember from that day because it put me, albeit physically a mile away from the building, at least emotionally there seeing the first seconds of the fireball.

http://www.archive.org/details/nbc200109110912-0954

Check the archieve footage. He is not on the phone when the explosion happens, like you claimed. It is about 20 minutes from when Jim gives his first report, and you are claiming he stayed on the line this entire time, just in case breaking news came his way?

Listen. I'll tell you one more time. Please pay attention.

First, go to this link of the NBC report from that morning. Listen to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uft90QQfuFU

Next, read what I put down carefully. I did not say he was "on the phone" when the explosion happened. You need to read things more carefully and stop putting words in other people's mouths. I said the phone line between Miklaszewski and the anchor desk remained connected while the anchor went on to another interview. Mikaszewski broke back in with his news, as he says "I don't want to alarm anyone, but moments ago..."

I'll let you define what "moments ago" mean to yourself, but for most of the world it means "an indefinitely short period of time; instant: ".

And I'll say this again - the second those words came out of the television from Jim Mikleszewski, I walked the 3 or 4 steps over to a window and saw the black smoke pillar climbing above the Pentagon - which would have meant the impact occurred seconds before.

0939 is the timestamp on the tape.

Denmark’s soon-to-be Foreign Minister Per Stig Moller was in a building in Washington, D.C. on 9/11 from which he looked out, heard an explosion and saw the smoke first rise from the Pentagon. He immediately looked at his watch, which read 9:32 am. He gave radio interviews in Denmark the next morning in which he stated that the Pentagon had been attacked at 9:32.[4]

On August 27, 2002, then White House Counsel and now Attorney General Alberto Gonzales gave the Secretary of the Navy lecture at the Naval Postgraduate School in which Gonzales explicitly and clearly states that "The Pentagon was attacked at 9:32". A tape of this segment of his talk was played at the 9/11 Emergency Truth Convergence at American University in Washington, D.C. in July 2005, and is on the public record


The clock on display in the Smithsonian also says 9:32......Perhaps these clocks are all off, but quite a bit of 9:31-9:32 evidence exists on the record. These examples i posted arrent alone in this 9:32 ish thing.Other clocks, including one inside the heliport stopped at that time as well.

This flys in the face of 9:38 by quite a bit.


Did any of the North side witnesses happen to note the time, or have any recollection of the timing of the plane they saw??

No, not the exact minute.

It was so chaotic and they were taken by such surprise that documenting and remembering the exact minute simply wasn't a concern for any of the witnesses we have spoken with.

Most usually guesstimate the time when asked and say something like "around 9:00" or "around 9:30" or something like that.

I came across some of that i posted rather recently.

I agree that clocks can be off, but with a plethora of clocks stopped at the same time, and the sources of these stopped clocks being so widespread and independent, it sure seems to point at 9:32 ish being way closer to the truth than 9:38...6 minutes is a long time.

I wonder if there is underlying reason for the disparity between these reports and the "official"edict of the 9/11 commision, which of course places the time much later

On the air at the moment of impact...that is your quote.
And as for you seeing smoke, yes, there was smoke after the impact. Not just in the first few seconds, but for hours smoke came from the Pentagon, so I don't understand your point.
Mik was on air 90 seconds after the alleged impact, all other networks take about 5 minutes to report anything from the Pentagon.

You know...it would be interesting if someone discovered the clocks stopped waaay before the initial impact time of 9:38....

The girl coming back from maternity leave stated her watch stopped at 9:00...one must wonder why>??

No, she says 9:30 ... just like the other clocks, get your facts straight! ;) If you mean April Gallup that is ...

Then I misunderstood due to my hearing, not due to my ineptness to collect or understand information ...as an ex-teacher I know the difference and as an ex-teacher you would be reprimanded for your rudeness.

Lighten up.

Your remarks make this blog look bad to visitors here.

How is telling you to get your facts straight being rude? What is making this forum (not blog) to look bad is incorrect information stated as a fact. If you have problems with hearing perhaps you should listen more carefully to things you plan on to spread, comment on and describe as wonder-worthy.

Maybe as an ex-teacher you're used to your students taking your words without question and punishing them when they don't for "being rude", fortunately we are not your students here and are going to point out incorrect information when we see it. That's not rude, that's what adults do on a fact-based research forum. ;)

Lighten up ...

I think you have to assume that the black box, upon which the animation was supposedly based, was recorded *before* September 11, perhaps weeks before. The lack of a recorded opening of the cockpit door points to such a fraudulent recording. So the first thing *I* would look at if I were looking at the clocks and other indications of the time of the explosion is whether they matched the time of impact as supposedly recorded on the black box. Do they match the 9:32 time frame or do they match the 9:38 time frame? If the black box says 9:38, then we can see why they would have kicked the time back by 6 minutes.