Title: Failure of fire power?
JonJon - September 29, 2010 04:50 PM (GMT)
I'm just a girl---but why hasn't anyone addressed the failure of fire power available for any non-military coming into the Pentagon??
Is that why the simulations provided need the public to buy the quick descent; so the radar didn't pick it up?
Which doesn't speak well for a billion dollar defense system.
JonJon - September 29, 2010 06:04 PM (GMT)
Remember, people had to evacuate the lawn more than once due to the threats of an incoming plane.
I'M JUST NOT GETTING IT!! am I this dense??
Doesn't the Pentagon have defensive mechanism especially following an attack??
Why would employees of the Pentagon run from a bldg. with a billion dollar defense system???
Craig Ranke CIT - September 29, 2010 06:07 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JonJon @ Sep 29 2010, 04:50 PM) |
I'm just a girl---but why hasn't anyone addressed the failure of fire power available for any non-military coming into the Pentagon??
Is that why the simulations provided need the public to buy the quick descent; so the radar didn't pick it up?
Which doesn't speak well for a billion dollar defense system. |
Hi JonJon,
There is no evidence that there was any "fire power available for any non-military coming into the Pentagon".
Don't forget the Pentagon is right next to Reagan National airport so there are low flying non-military aircraft near the building pretty much at all times.



JonJon - September 29, 2010 06:13 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Sep 29 2010, 10:07 AM) |
| QUOTE (JonJon @ Sep 29 2010, 04:50 PM) | I'm just a girl---but why hasn't anyone addressed the failure of fire power available for any non-military coming into the Pentagon??
Is that why the simulations provided need the public to buy the quick descent; so the radar didn't pick it up?
Which doesn't speak well for a billion dollar defense system. |
Hi JonJon, There is no evidence that there was any "fire power available for any non-military coming into the Pentagon". Don't forget the Pentagon is right next to Reagan National airport so there are low flying non-military aircraft near the building pretty much at all times.    |
Thanks ...but, boy, that does shake my reality a little.
JonJon - September 29, 2010 06:19 PM (GMT)
Posted on Sep 29 2010, 10:04 AM
Disregard question of security...but it sure shakes a girl's faith that this bldg. is this vulnerable.
Harry_B - September 29, 2010 06:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Sep 29 2010, 10:07 AM) |
There is no evidence that there was any "fire power available for any non-military coming into the Pentagon".
Don't forget the Pentagon is right next to Reagan National airport so there are low flying non-military aircraft near the building pretty much at all times. |
But how do they distinguish military and civil aircrafts - do they expect a trumpet signal? :rolleyes: Or trust that nobody will switch off the transponder?
Craig Ranke CIT - September 29, 2010 11:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Harry_B @ Sep 29 2010, 06:46 PM) |
| QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Sep 29 2010, 10:07 AM) | There is no evidence that there was any "fire power available for any non-military coming into the Pentagon".
Don't forget the Pentagon is right next to Reagan National airport so there are low flying non-military aircraft near the building pretty much at all times. |
But how do they distinguish military and civil aircrafts - do they expect a trumpet signal? :rolleyes: Or trust that nobody will switch off the transponder? |
I really don't know.
But I do know that there are low flying aircraft near the Pentagon at pretty much all times and there is no evidence for air defenses at the Pentagon at all.
A. Marquis - September 30, 2010 03:52 PM (GMT)
JonJon,
You are right there should have been some sort of anti-aircraft weaponry stationed around the Pentagon.
We knew we were confirmed under attack at 9:03 and the plane allegedly hit at 9:38. The plane was tracked as an unidentified bogey approaching DC. Yet no type of defense had been set in place.
Although the Pentagon does not have anti-aircraft missiles built into or around, there ARE mobile units that could have been and should have been deployed in and around the Pentagon after 9:03...

Craig Ranke CIT - September 30, 2010 04:04 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (A. Marquis @ Sep 30 2010, 03:52 PM) |
Although the Pentagon does not have anti-aircraft missiles built into or around, there ARE mobile units that could have been and should have been deployed in and around the Pentagon after 9:03...
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Interesting.
Do you have a source that these mobile units were at or near the Pentagon ready to be deployed?
A. Marquis - September 30, 2010 06:20 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Sep 30 2010, 04:04 PM) |
| QUOTE (A. Marquis @ Sep 30 2010, 03:52 PM) |
Although the Pentagon does not have anti-aircraft missiles built into or around, there ARE mobile units that could have been and should have been deployed in and around the Pentagon after 9:03...
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Interesting.
Do you have a source that these mobile units were at or near the Pentagon ready to be deployed?
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No I do not. I simply stated that they could have and should have had them positioned. I am sure it would be an interesting line of inquiry, of course that will be chalked up to negligence.
Interesting the foresight the Italians had in June 2001, 3 mths before 9/11...
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 Anti-aircraft stationed around the G8 Summit in Genoa, Italy. [Source: BBC]
The G8 summit is held in Genoa, Italy. Acting on previous warnings that al-Qaeda would attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an airliner into the Summit, Italian authorities surround the summit with anti-aircraft guns. They keep fighter jets in the air and close off local airspace to all planes. [Los Angeles Times, 9/27/2001] The warnings are taken so seriously that Bush stays overnight on an aircraft carrier offshore, and other world leaders stay on a luxury ship. [CNN, 7/18/2001] |
Craig Ranke CIT - September 30, 2010 07:14 PM (GMT)
Ok I just want to make it clear that there is no evidence for ground-to-air defenses at the Pentagon on 9/11 at all because your post seemed to suggest the opposite.
A. Marquis - September 30, 2010 09:32 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Sep 30 2010, 07:14 PM) |
| Ok I just want to make it clear that there is no evidence for ground-to-air defenses at the Pentagon on 9/11 at all because your post seemed to suggest the opposite. |
No my post was pretty clear in that there should have or could have been mobile anti-aircraft batteries positioned into place, not that there were.