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Title: No Boeings at Alleged Crash Sites (or Missiles)
Description: Impact Holes and Debris


m reed - August 14, 2010 12:07 AM (GMT)
Post 9/11 photos of the Pentagon and Shanksville initially convinced me that the said planes did not crash at there. While CIT has done a great job compiling eyewitness interviews which are invaluable in deconstructing the event, I think the use of the photographic evidence would bolster your arguments that no planes crashed at those sites.

The Lloyde cab photos have proven invaluable to proving staging, so could photos of the Pent. and Shanksville. More specifically, the impact hole with the hanging chad, the curiously dented trailer generator, the standing cable spools, the blown out support columns, the untouched lawn, the Shanks. cookie cutter, THE LACK OF PLANES!

The alleged Shanksville and Pentagon impact hole photos should, I believe, be used in any argument suggesting that there were no actual planes crashes (at Shanks. and Pent.).

Photo evidence of the alleged 757 impact(s) seems to be underscored in your research.





Craig Ranke CIT - August 14, 2010 04:10 PM (GMT)
We devote most of the first chapter of National Security Alert to the photographic evidence and explain how it provides a "prima facie" case for deception.


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Prima facie (pronounced /ˈpraɪmə ˈfeɪʃiː/, from Latin prīmā faciē) is a Latin expression meaning on its first appearance, or at first sight. The literal translation would be "at first face", prima first, facie face, both in the ablative case. It is used in modern legal English to signify that on first examination, a matter appears to be self-evident from the facts. In common law jurisdictions, prima facie  denotes evidence which – unless rebutted – would be sufficient to prove a particular proposition or fact. The term is used similarly in academic philosophy.

Most legal proceedings require a prima facie case to exist, following which proceedings may then commence to test it, and create a ruling.

[...]

Prima facie evidence need not be conclusive or irrefutable: at this stage, evidence rebutting the case is not considered, only whether any party's case has enough merit to take it to a full trial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_facie



So yes the prima facie case is important, and we certainly don't ignore it. It's what got us questioning the event in the first place just like everyone else.

But no matter how suspicious the photographic evidence makes us it simply hasn't turned out to be the "proof" that has convinced most. People have been arguing about the photographic evidence for years and the notion that it "proves" there was no plane crash has been successfully neutralized. That's exactly why we found it so important to talk to the witnesses to find out what really happened and sure enough that's where we found the hard evidence that we believe is inarguable by any logical or honest skeptic.

So while the photographic evidence might be enough to prove it to you that no plane hit the Pentagon or crashed in Shanksville, it hasn't been enough for most people, but when you combine it with the work we have done (as we did in NSA) the need to speculate is removed and the case becomes rock solid.

This is a good question but if you don't mind m reed, I'm going to move this to the "questions and discussion" forum. Please try to keep the "Pentagon" limited to research threads.

m reed - August 16, 2010 12:51 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the response Craig. I now recall seeing the first portion of several of your videos that draw attention to the suspicious "crash" site.

Keep up the great work, I can't wait for the Researcher's Edition.


Craig Ranke CIT - August 16, 2010 04:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (m reed @ Aug 16 2010, 12:51 AM)


Keep up the great work, I can't wait for the Researcher's Edition.


Well thanks, and that amounts to a fair question as well.

We've kind of taken a new path since the initial release of The PentaCon so let me take this moment to explain.

The "Researcher's Edition" of The PentaCon was merely a concept and CIT has ended up taking a different path. That's not to say it will never happen but we ask those who pay attention to our work to realize that we have chosen instead to put out a series of videos listed in the "Supplemental Presentations" section of the CIT website.

There's a lot of great information there but the hard-core researchers should closely study "The Pentagon Flyover - How They Pulled It Off", otherwise known as HTPIO. This is the de facto "Researcher's Edition" for now although it does not focus on the north side approach or the flyover. For that we recommend The North Side Flyover parts 1 & 2. This full-length presentation in addition to HTPIO amount to the "Researcher's Edition" as we initially envisioned. That being said a new incarnation of the "Researcher's Edition" may eventually pan out and when it does it will likely be a full history of our investigation that is STILL ongoing at this time. We have new info, we have new evidence, we have new levels of awareness, and there will be much more information compiled, released, and revealed whether in video format or not so stay tuned.

9/11_Justice_Now - August 17, 2010 04:54 AM (GMT)
What new evidence Craig? Anything we don't know about yet?

m reed - August 18, 2010 07:02 PM (GMT)
I was really hoping for a compilation which would include Rick Renze and ALL the witnesses, honest and otherwise. This would help viewers to distinguish the honest witnesses from the story tellers.

This is what I found to be most convincing in CIT's presentations.




Craig Ranke CIT - August 18, 2010 08:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (9/11_Justice_Now @ Aug 17 2010, 04:54 AM)
What new evidence Craig? Anything we don't know about yet?

Yes there's more.

Our investigation is ongoing so we are continuously obtaining new information.

We're working on a comprehensive project at this time that will not only include new information but will be an invaluable tool for all researchers and everyone interested in this info.

And yes m reed, it will include information regarding suspect alleged witnesses such as Rick Renzi.

With the upcoming European tour and everything going on I simply can't even begin to suggest a launch date or even say for sure if it will be in 2010 so please be patient and understand that there will be a lot more coming from CIT in the future.




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